[project3wc]

i doubt ill be towing. i've always enjoy pvping in every MMO i play even if i suck at it =\. so i might be the guy escorting the tow =)

[Jump]

You will be towing if you want to afford to PVP.

[dailatron]

Originally Posted by ELPIRATA

Dont worry project.. soon as you get in space you'll find out about them and what do they do. They dont take much time figuring out a way to grief people and be protected by the system.

If you dont get it, seriously, dont bother, eventually you will and we will do our best NOT to say "we told you".

ELP

So you would rather bury your head in the sand waiting to say "I told you so" rather than come up with any suggestions on how to make it workable ?.

This is how Jumpgate Classic ended up with the disastrous mining based economy that has hindered online numbers since the merge. You might want your so called friends to be able to civ rip without any IC/RP legitimacy, well I, and Im sure many others dont.

[GrimGriz]

You can always tell the asshats, they advocate self-policing

[Tritian]

Originally Posted by dailatron

You might want your so called friends to be able to civ rip without any IC/RP legitimacy, well I, and Im sure many others dont.

Even at it's hay-day, I don't remember a whole lot of OOC civripping going on. Even squads such as Lawnmowers, who were responsible for tons of civrips, were RP'ing their squads directives. It could be argued that Rollio stayed true to his murdering/genocide RP for years after retail, and before that he was factionalist fighter. If pirates weren't trying to RP their characters, they wouldn't ask for money. They'd just kill you.

[dailatron]

Originally Posted by Tritian

If pirates weren't trying to RP their characters, they wouldn't ask for money. They'd just kill you.

Its not about the odd genuine player that did actually believe they were playing pirates its about asshats that call them selfs pirates because they are asshats and its a good cover. Ive never killed anyone in Jumpgate that didnt either ask for it by going HG or claiming a sector or deserve it, and by deserve I dont mean by launching. Thats what I base my good gamesmanship on. I dont believe anyone should have the right to kill, bully or abuse another player anywhere they choose just because they want to.

Whats the difference between sitting in a station talking crap and sitting in a safe zone talking crap ?. Nothing. The argument about needing to be able to kill equipment splashers is redundant too. How can you punish someone that voluntarily kills them self ?.

[Ratneck]

Originally Posted by project3wc

i doubt ill be towing. i've always enjoy pvping in every MMO i play even if i suck at it =. so i might be the guy escorting the tow =)

I love to tow, but only when there's a danger of getting blown up. The safe stuff is when it gets boring.....when I can point at a gate, go full throttle, and then go drop the kids off at the pool it's not fun.

[Tritian]

Originally Posted by dailatron

Its not about the odd genuine player that did actually believe they were playing pirates its about asshats that call them selfs pirates because they are asshats and its a good cover. Ive never killed anyone in Jumpgate that didnt either ask for it by going HG or claiming a sector or deserve it, and by deserve I dont mean by launching. Thats what I base my good gamesmanship on. I dont believe anyone should have the right to kill, bully or abuse another player anywhere they choose just because they want to.

Whats the difference between sitting in a station talking crap and sitting in a safe zone talking crap ?. Nothing. The argument about needing to be able to kill equipment splashers is redundant too. How can you punish someone that voluntarily kills them self ?.

Yeah, and what i'm saying is, I don't believe it's as big of a problem as you lead on. It's not like the space lanes are full of griefers, and nothing you've said will change that fact.

It sounds like you just cant wrap your head around the concept of non-consensual pvp.

[SingleShot]

I love how:

a) "RP" can justify anything and
b) How anything can be claimed to be "RP".

[project3wc]

Originally Posted by Jump

You will be towing if you want to afford to PVP.

what are squads for? those that want to mine and tow in the squads will and those that dont will just be the escorts and protection.

and the reason im not too worried about it is because like i said before there will be both PVP and PVE servers so those miners that dont want to be asshatted can just mine/tow/PVE without some jacka** podding them for no reason.

[Tritian]

Originally Posted by SingleShot

I love how:

a) "RP" can justify anything and
b) How anything can be claimed to be "RP".

I put forth the question, does it really matter? The motive can be anything. Greed, bloodlust, whatever. It doesn't matter. The end result is the same.

We are at war. The idea of 'civilians' is laughable. They empower the enemy, they haul equipment for the enemy, they give the enemy money. They are the enemy fricken faction.

Personally, i dont think the penalty of death in Jumpgate is really that bad. Certainly not enough to warrent this endless amount of bitching from a select few who simply don't understand that they are playing a multiplayer war game.

Oh and BAM, I said it. War Game. Take a moment to let that sink in. Jumpgate is a fricken war game. We got light medium heavy and advanced fighters, bombers, and scouts. Over half the ships are dedicated to warfare, and even the smallest ship have guns. I don't know why the idea of dying is so foreign, when the entire game is designed as a basically a war simulation.

And lets look at what happens when you do die:

You lose no experience
You lose a small bit of money (way more if you are a 'bad guy')
You lose artifacts if you happen to be carrying them.

Woop-de-fricken do.

And for that, the whining never ends. Endless whining, until we have safe zones, and other mechanics that neuter the war game completely.

It's really a shame.