[Istanbul]

Jump, if there were no PvEers available to haul, and they didn't want to, they'd simply be forced to PvP in sub-optimal gear. Now, that may not be much of a choice to them, but it is still a choice. All I have been trying to say is that PvEers do not force PvPers not to PvP. If they, heaven forbid, do something lame... guess what? They actually encourage PvP, because then the PvPers have a reason to go kick their butts! Really, the whole issue of 'forcing your RP on me' has really never made a whole lot of sense either way, but it makes a lot less sense for a PvPer who wants to PvP to say that to a PvEer who doesn't want to PvP.

[Zaz]

Originally Posted by Jump

Online multiplayer games should never be designed with the single player in mind.

Lone wolfs have to be catered for and looked after just as much as those with an eye towards joining in group-play, you cannot dismiss their needs and make it that much harder, it should be just as easy to play singularly as in part of a collective.

If one person PVE or PVP can make so much difference to effectively spoil the gametime of many others, then the game is flawed.

[dailatron]

Originally Posted by Jump

However this is my site and insults are something I am not going to let get out of hand. And you have made quite a few lately.

Well I dont mean to be insulting as such, its just the way I talk. Hell I even try to tone down my posts for public viewing.

I dont mean to offend Im just used to people with thicker skin. I am an acquired taste as anyone who has been on TS with me, will Im sure agree.

[Jump]

Originally Posted by Istanbul

Jump, if there were no PvEers available to haul, and they didn't want to, they'd simply be forced to PvP in sub-optimal gear. Now, that may not be much of a choice to them, but it is still a choice. All I have been trying to say is that PvEers do not force PvPers not to PvP. If they, heaven forbid, do something lame... guess what? They actually encourage PvP, because then the PvPers have a reason to go kick their butts! Really, the whole issue of 'forcing your RP on me' has really never made a whole lot of sense either way, but it makes a lot less sense for a PvPer who wants to PvP to say that to a PvEer who doesn't want to PvP.

If they have to fly with lesser equipment then we have enforced a roleplay on them.

Originally Posted by Zaz

Lone wolfs have to be catered for and looked after just as much as those with an eye towards joining in group-play, you cannot dismiss their needs and make it that much harder, it should be just as easy to play singularly as in part of a collective.

If one person PVE or PVP can make so much difference to effectively spoil the gametime of many others, then the game is flawed.

I am talking about the person that wants to play like a single player game, not the lone wolf. We used to see them all the time. They're ok with AI killing them but not another person.

[Istanbul]

Really, the whole issue of 'forcing your RP on me' has really never made a whole lot of sense either way, but it makes a lot less sense for a PvPer who wants to PvP to say that to a PvEer who doesn't want to PvP.

Let me be a little more explicit. This whole 'you're forcing your RP on me' business is a crock of hooey anyways, but the PvEer is generally getting the shorter end of the stick of the business.

[Jump]

Well then, we disagree. If someone would prefer you do something for them so they can do something else, and you decline, you are forcing them to do that something else.

[Istanbul]

Right, but if you decline it's either going to be a) because you don't have time (which they should just get over) or b) They are something, or did something that you are against. i.e. you are a quant factionalist hauler and they are an oct factionalist fighter, of course the hauler isn't going to haul for the oct. or another example, Nasty Pirate X just ripped you and stole your lunch money yesterday, then they want you to haul for them today? They've got to be kidding. In this case, they can blame their own rp for it in the first place, not yours.

Also, if you are the only hauler online, then Jumpgate Evolution has bigger problems than RP forcage issues.

[Jump]

Why would they not haul for another faction? It's called the black market. Haulers should always work as a group whether it be a big squad or some kind of Union arraignment. If they haul alone and don't plot with other haulers then I guess the game would be really sad for them.

[Istanbul]

I never said they couldn't do it. I said that if a hauler refuses to haul for a PvPer in all but rare circumstances it's going to be because of the RP of the PvPer making the hauler not want to support them (at least not with immense cash considerations). Sure, the hauler is forcing this on the PvPer, but the PvPer decided what they wanted to be first.

[Jump]

Well ya, wasn't that my whole first point? You have to choose to play the game and work with each other for IC fun.

[Istanbul]

And, why the heck are we calling hauling a PvE activiity in the first place? A person doesn't haul against the environment (unless there's a storm, and I guess flux), they are hauling for someone against someone else. In other words, it's a non-combatant PvP activity in my book. (Well, hauling for profit might not be).

*edit* for cryin out loud, we'd have an easier time using a chatroom! :P

Well ya, wasn't that my whole first point? You have to choose to play the game and work with each other for IC fun.

And this is exactly why I say the whole 'OMG you forced your RP on me!' issue is pointless really. It all intertwines so much based on your choices that you really can't say that one person or the other is really forcing their rp on someone. (except in very rare circumstances... maybe... possibly...)

[Ratneck]

Originally Posted by Istanbul

I never said they couldn't do it. I said that if a hauler refuses to haul for a PvPer in all but rare circumstances it's going to be because of the RP of the PvPer making the hauler not want to support them (at least not with immense cash considerations). Sure, the hauler is forcing t