[Jump]

So will I be able to go shoot someone up, drop a few missiles on Liet, mouth off like a punk and then go run to the safe zone?

Automated safe zones grief PVP players. A very large percentage of the people that say they don't want non-consensual PVP are really PVP'ers who use their mouth and acting like a jerk as their weapons of choice. Automatic safe zones will simply enable and attract these true griefers.

How are you going to prevent these things we have already seen in the past?

I have stated many times, I can live with secure zones as long as the PVE'ers have to work to maintain those security measures. But a switch is a game killer when it comes to combat games.

We've seen it all before in various phases of Jumpgates lifespan. Griefers are griefers and they will perform their art anytime you give them a safe place to hide.

[netburnr]

Originally Posted by Scorch

-We believe we are going to have to shard the game due to the number of players. This being said we fully plan on PvP and PvE servers. PvP being similar to Jumpgate Classic (likely even less regulation than Jumpgate Classic really wild west type of environment) and PvE only allowing PvP in certain places of the game. I don't understand why every server has to play by certain rules or the game is bad at all, this seems like a good solution to me.

Ok, so you don't think the server software can handle the sheer numbers of pilots. Fine, that is a technical limitation. Now, speaking outside of Regionalized server (US/EU for lag sakes)However, why can't you work around that limitation by making the servers work together. If you expect a lot of people to stay in "safe land" put the "safe" sectors on one server, then have the other running "unreg". Just make it so it is seemless, there is one galaxy to the players, however in the back end you are keeping the players distributed evenly. If for some reason one set of sectors gets overwhelming for the server, have that sector's load transfered to the server with less pilots on it. The map and game stays the same, but the servers are load balancing themselves due to demand. There is no reason to Make Jumpgate Evolution Carebear Server and Jumpgate Classic Griefer Server....just no reason.

Originally Posted by Scorch

if they, or any game really, has a proven feature or UI element that makes something simple to understand, or is a sold feature why would you not use it? I am not worried that we can claim that every single feature of our game is unique from every other game ever made, that is not our goal. Making a great space game is.

Agreed dude, agreed. If something works, steal it. Mold it into what you want, and include it. But to say, game XYZ has millions of subscribers because they keep the carebears and griefers seperate, lets do it that way, is going to destroy Jumpgate. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by Scorch

Please continue to let us know what you think. Lots of people here read the boards and we talk about ideas and problems from this input all the time.

Ohh don't worry, I'm sure we will be giving ya'll plenty to discuss around the water cooler. Or Coffee Machine...or Keg, not sure how ya'll run the office

Originally Posted by Istanbul

Speaking as one who is anti-random-civ-ripping-for-the-heck-of-it type PvP, I would rather not have safe zones that consist of civ invulnerability. Heck, if there's oodles of people online, so long as a civ type ship has the ability to run/turtle for 30-60 seconds, they'd probably be able to get help.

Exactly, if Jumpgate Classic could have kept the online numbers from launch, there would not have been problems with Civvies getting pissed at civrippers. They would have friends, squadmates, and other squads dedicated to factional defense to keep them safe. It was when space started to empty that the civilians really started to feel the hurt of BORED PvPers changing their RP to that of a pirate because there were no targets left.

[Istanbul]

net, I'd have to assume from my previous MMO experiences, that there are physical limitations to how many people can fit on a server set. We already have multiple servers running different sections of space from what I understand. But the games I've played that had higher numbers, it seemed that a multi-server-world/universe maxed out performance wise around 4k online average. Seriously, if there is going to be an AVERAGE of 6-8k people online at any given time, that would just be crazy trying to move about space and whatnot.

[daslog]

To all you people that gave me constant crap about the safe zones for the last few months (Sephiroth you out there?) I now say "I told yo so"

Thppt.

[Karash]

Thanks for the post scorch...trust me, we will keep firing

[Ratneck]

Another thing from the chat that bugs me:

<MMORPG_Taera> Ichijo :asks: Will we be able to make more than one character per account ?

<ND_Istvan> More than one character per account is already implemented and working in pre-alpha.

Right there is how people can even play on a PvP server and NOT be responsible for their actions. Multiple accounts is a bad idea. 1 account, 1 pilot. Pilot name is account name. Can't be changed. That is one of the BEST ways to make sure griefers are kept to a minimum IMO.

[Tritian]

Scorch, i'm not convinced that seperating the population is such a good idea.

That said, i'm willing to give it a chance. the idea of a server without regulated space/artificial protection seems great to me, but having another server were people get the win button treatment might take too many carebears from the hardcore server, and carebears are very important.

We need people to escort and protect. Likewise, we need military targets to take down, supply lines to crush. If the peaceful haulers have an easy way out, they might not play on our server.

Here is what I see happening.

1) You have a carebear server where nothing exciting happens and people just fly around watching their credits expand. Occasionally people fight in unreg. Whoop-de-fricken-do

2) You have a hardcore server where people have no equipment. The economy is in shambles. All the carebears are on the carebear server because it's much easier for them to win over there. The cost of death is extremely high because of lack of equipment/bad economy. And everyone is in perpetual frowny-face mode. =(

I still think a better solution would be to offer no carebear server and just have everything the 'hardcore' server, and then you can work on the consequences of death thing to make dieing not such a big deal for the carebears. Make them enjoy the game, even if they die (which really doesn't happen all that often in Jumpgate Classic to be completely honest).

[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by Tritian

We need people to escort and protect. Likewise, we need military targets to take down, supply lines to crush. If the peaceful haulers have an easy way out, they might not play on our server.

You'll have AI for that now, and the few crazies that don't mind being defenseless. I hope you find PoD'ing AI to be exciting.

The biggest problem with separating the servers comes when you make changes to the game. For example, when Rollio griefs the noobs off the PvP server, you'll tell them to go to the safe-zone server instead of making it harder to grief noobs, and they will.

Then, since there will be more people on the safe-zone server, all future improvements to the game will be catered to them, because it makes financial sense to do so. The PvPers will become the red-headed-step-children of Jumpgate Evolution.

I'm personally hoping that we can convince them to balance for pvp regardless of level, or at least send Istvan back to Jumpgate Classic with a couple of coders so we can have a PvP space sim without needing to grind for a month to be able to compete.

[Tritian]

Grim, i'll give you one credit for every post you make that doesn't mention turrets directly or indirectly as the total answer to all of Jumpgate's problems.

[GrimGriz]

Fixed it for ya big guy.

[ELPIRATA]

Tritian...

You can rest asured that many producers/miners will want to be on the wild west area, so far we're missing a sol carebear in the mix but quants and octs have some already.

Im totally sure that a relationship between producers and factional PvPers can be established and maintained, and even if the PvP server becomes the wild wild west.. Im sure we'll be protected for our work in the factions.

ELP