[daslog]

I just call them as I see them. Fluff is for community managers.

[Algore]

Originally Posted by netburnr

Its your method of delivery and what you say, how dense are you?

Whereas your generally hostile and abusive method of delivery to everything that you disagree with is better.

Al

[Jump]

Originally Posted by Algore

Whereas your generally hostile and abusive method of delivery to everything that you disagree with is better.

Al

Pot meet kettle

[Vinegar Goose]

I think that the Jumpgate Classic veteran community needs to keep pushing the idea that, while it is ok to make the Jumpgate Evolution accessible for noobs, the mid to late games needs to be more like Jumpgate Classic. Pilots are going to get bored with a dumbed down game at the mid-point.

The one good point about Jumpgate Evolution is that the DANCER engine is still around. We vets cannot allow NetDevil to break F=ma with stuff like boosters. No warping like EVE and Vendetta Online.

My areas of concern:

• Mid level pilots should be able to PvP Late level pilots.
• Destroyed ships = lost resources.
• Hitting stuff at speed should be fatal for Mid level pilots.
• Mid level pilots should need to perform manual docking.
• Tubes need to be small on battlestation/capital ships.
• Gunnery needs to be like Jumpgate Classic.
• Weapon ranges may need to be increased. (Herman talked about a 4km mortar weapons, Jumpgate Classic Barracks were 5.5km, Jumpgate Classic mortars were around 7km).

[Istanbul]

Originally Posted by Jump

Pot meet kettle

Algore may not be a little kitten, but I don't see him going around telling other community members to choke themselves when he thinks they are being stupid, either. (Not that you do, but I'm sure we all know who does).

[Algore]

Originally Posted by Jump

Pot meet kettle

Elaborate.

[daslog]

Originally Posted by Vinegar Goose

I think that the Jumpgate Classic veteran community needs to keep pushing the idea that, while it is ok to make the Jumpgate Evolution accessible for noobs, the mid to late games needs to be more like Jumpgate Classic. Pilots are going to get bored with a dumbed down game at the mid-point.

The one good point about Jumpgate Evolution is that the DANCER engine is still around. We vets cannot allow NetDevil to break F=ma with stuff like boosters. No warping like EVE and Vendetta Online.

My areas of concern:

• Mid level pilots should be able to PvP Late level pilots.
• Destroyed ships = lost resources.
• Hitting stuff at speed should be fatal for Mid level pilots.
• Mid level pilots should need to perform manual docking.
• Tubes need to be small on battlestation/capital ships.
• Gunnery needs to be like Jumpgate Classic.
• Weapon ranges may need to be increased. (Herman talked about a 4km mortar weapons, Jumpgate Classic Barracks were 5.5km, Jumpgate Classic mortars were around 7km).

I'd say your best bet is to push for a seperate Hardcore PvP server. One with no safe zones, no HG rules, etc..

That being said, I don't think "destroyed ships = lost resources" will ever fly. Anything that makes the winners stronger that the losers creates a feedback loop with the losers having nothing left.

[Tritian]

Originally Posted by Istanbul

Algore may not be a little kitten, but I don't see him going around telling other community members to choke themselves when he thinks they are being stupid, either. (Not that you do, but I'm sure we all know who does).

Choke yourself.


=D

[netburnr]

I was about to say, its Trit that tells people to choke himself, not me. Algore is right, I'm a hostile motherf-er, but I call em like I see em.

As for the PvP situation...

*netburnr would like to blow you out of the sky* Do you agree to a battle? yes/no

Thats what we are going to end up with I bet

[Istanbul]

Don't worry net, i'd make sure to only click yes if I was in a defenseless merchant vessel!

[biteme]

Originally Posted by Algore

Elaborate.

I wonder how long it will take people to understand that it is a new game that will be using some ideas from Jumpgate Classic, some ideas from other games, and some new ideas. Some will like it, some will not.
To think of it as a place where "vets" can meet up and slap each other on the back and talk about previous "victories" really isn't healthy. Infact it's quite sad really.

Al

Translation

Jumpgate Classic vets are pathetic and should choke themselves.


AL is every bit as hostile as trit and net with extra condescension thrown in for good measure. Al has a wounderful way of acting in the very same way twards otheres as he claims to dispise it's pricless

[Istanbul]

I see a pretty big difference between 'standard' condescension, which many Jumpgate community members, both new and old, possess, and telling people to commit bodily harm against themselves. However, I do know that he's (mostly) kidding, so I generallly speaking leave it alone. I am also not in charge, or a moderator, and don't know that I'd want to be for a group that likes expanding the boundaries as much as we do, so my opinion on the subject doesn't really mean a whole lot.