[Istanbul]

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

Hermann hasn't played the original Jumpgate though...when he talks about soloing he's talking about other MMOs.

That's exactly what I was saying GrimGriz. In other MMOS, solo or group play revolves around whether you are in a party/group to do whatever activity it is you want to do. In most MMOs, if you want to get leveled up, you HAVE to be in a group to make it happen at any decent speed.

Going in favor of Jumpgate, no matter what they implement, since you actually fly your ships, leveling is less important than in most MMOs. Also, even if they dramatically increase the amount of grouping needed to get somewhere in Jumpgate, it's still going to be more solo friendly than most MMOs out there. I think the only issue to get really worried about is exactly how they're going to implement safe zones, and then, that also depends on how they decide to go about sharding given enough players for that to make sense. If there's enough players to shard, then having a more popular server with similar rules to old Jumpgate with reg/unreg, HG/Civ, and a more strict one with civ safety for others would pretty much take that concern away IMO.

So, then we just have to worry about how ai is implemented and how persistent the universe will be, and how much of it will be repetitive, every person has to kill bob the NPC because he stole my liquor type missions.

One other note on that subject. Sure, it seems kind of silly that games have you kill a NPC for a mission, and then NewPlayerB comes along and does the exact same thing, but, other than the other person being a live pilot... how many times did you kill KiaDevil, yet he kept respawning?

[GrimGriz]

In the end, it's primarily about acceptance. Once you accept the fact that no one is going to take Jumpgate Classic to it's true potential, you can get behind a standard MMO in space where you can fly your own ship. It's just a bitch letting go of the hope you've been hanging onto for 6 years.

[Lordopic]

Originally Posted by Tstrike3

If you don't, I will. It is the truth and that is something they cannot refute.

There is absolutely nothing negative about that, it is just the facts.


Yeah I agree those forums (to me) has gotten stale. Running the same old damn video is now more of a nuisance than an attraction. Smart thinking suggests taking a series of videos and rotating them thus maintain some degree of visual interest. No knock against Awen, just that your observation is rather keen Opic. The other thing is that Istvan (for me) has settled the sharding question and how its implementation will benefit Jumpgate Evolution.

I really thought they were close to going beta due to the amount of buzz and fanfare they have generated. One wonders if they are going to get the deal closed or will that buzz turn into fizzle.

I find it fascinating to spend more time watching and less time being a participant in it.

I don't feel bad about what I said just that if you say anything too negative you get a slap wrist and sent to bad without any tea and the little green box becomes a grey box. Hence my post sort saying I know that?s a bit harsh but it?s the truth.


I'm a miffed by why we have forums for a game that is so far from beta of any sort the grand fan fare just before Christmas was like the 2nd coming now we are less than a month in and its becoming a forum on the rampage and out of control full of speculation and not enough feedback or new stuff from any one. Oh wait we get a screenie for free once a week whoopee f****** do.


If it wasn't for post's like the one from SpritOne to give me some hope back then I think is still feel the ever increasing sense of doom. But even that is full of what?s ifs and buts.

[Lordopic]

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

In the end, it's primarily about acceptance. Once you accept the fact that no one is going to take Jumpgate Classic to it's true potential, you can get behind a standard MMO in space where you can fly your own ship. It's just a bitch letting go of the hope you've been hanging onto for 6 years.

Zen Koan

When you can do nothing, what can you do?

I've come to the same conclusion. Jumpgate Evolution isn't going to be the be all and end all of space MMO's it might lose a lot of what made Jumpgate, Jumpgate, I think I have stopped, and thought to myself WTF am I going along on this road of negativity, what will be will be.

It's a bitch to for sure but I'd rather drop it and think forward. Not saying I agree with the direction hell I'm not even sure if ND have a direction for Jumpgate Evolution, too many of them, if's what's and but's. We not sure how but we might get round to it and give you some half arsed MMO in space. Which I'm sure won't be the case.

It just won't be what some of us for whatever reason were hoping for, but something we can live with.

[Tstrike3]

Originally Posted by Lordopic

I don't feel bad about what I said just that if you say anything too negative you get a slap wrist and sent to bad without any tea and the little green box becomes a grey box. Hence my post sort saying I know that?s a bit harsh but it?s the truth.


I'm a miffed by why we have forums for a game that is so far from beta of any sort the grand fan fare just before Christmas was like the 2nd coming now we are less than a month in and its becoming a forum on the rampage and out of control full of speculation and not enough feedback or new stuff from any one. Oh wait we get a screenie for free once a week whoopee f****** do.


If it wasn't for post's like the one from SpritOne to give me some hope back then I think is still feel the ever increasing sense of doom. But even that is full of what?s ifs and buts.

To be honest, SpiritOne's candid assessment was a deal sealer for me. Basically Spirit (from my interpretation) said: Beta is a long way off... But I am a bit confused here. Ambro and LupinOne got to drive and yet Spirit didn't get to drive? That confuses me a bit.

[start rant]
I have read Spirit's comments and I get the impression that ND has been so caught up in Globetrotting and being media darlings that they have lost some sight of bringing the GODDAMN product to market!

I strongly warn them get out of the media business and work on your product. If globetrotting around to show an idea in hope of ginning up business was some idea of marketing, NEWSFLASH, you are not doing good business. Graphics are one thing, but playability is something completely different. So far, the screenies and VIDEO has been impressive just worried that the buzz is wearing off and folks are going to start talking about the potential of Jumpgate Evolution becoming Vaporware. Why do I say that? Well you WORK for Lego and they have to taken care of first BEFORE Jumpgate Evolution.

Now if they were really smart, they would have landed a significant partnership with a reputable IT corporation (IBM, HP, Dell) that would sponsor their game.

[end rant]

With that said, I see Jumpgate Evolution being released in a primal form with great graphics, a tweaked DANCER engine, and some AI inserted. Overall a Jumpgate Classic graphics upgrade is what it will be likely lauded when the game playing public gets it hands on it.

I am just being a pragmatist. And I havent seen so much secrecy before in my life .... NEWFLASH ND!!! You have competitors who are in betas.... And their stuff is a bit more public.... *shrugs indifferently*

[dailatron]

I get the feeling most of the negative posters here havent actually bothered to read past "not the same game as Jumpgate Classic" bit. Everything you did in Jumpgate Classic you will be able to do in Jumpgate Evolution its just there will be more to do as well.

If everyone was more like Joey and said "meat good, potatoes good, custard good, whats not to like. Instead of Ross "it tastes like feet" the world would be a better place all round. I personally am looking forward to blowing the hell out of non Octs and those bad apple octs as well.

[Lordopic]

Originally Posted by dailatron

I get the feeling most of the negative posters here havent actually bothered to read past "not the same game as Jumpgate Classic" bit. Everything you did in Jumpgate Classic you will be able to do in Jumpgate Evolution its just there will be more to do as well.

The proof will be in the pudding, just hope it lives up to hype. Don't get me wrong I'm looking forward to it I want to see what they have done with the flux for starters, but I have stopped hoping for the holy grail, and started thinking what we get will be what we get and moved on and left the negativity behind

(as far as making post's here and on Jumpgate Evolution forums about it, in the privacy of my own home I?ll be shouting at the pc and shaking my head along with the next man)

[Jump]

Tstrike, I'm sure the people doing the coding aren't "globe trotting" around and are busy doing their jobs every day. In todays society you can't be successful in anonymity. The expense of networking is an unfortunate necessity. I'm sure traveling around and schmoozing the smiling faces gets pretty stale after awhile.

dailetron, I would much prefer seeing negative posts towards the current state of Jumpgate Evolution, which may have a positive effect on the outcome of the game. What you call "Negative" posts have a far greater positive impact than your posts which are constantly whining about peoples opinions. If you have gamed much and been around you would know that people here are angels compared to other places and other games. They are passionate for the game and that is a good thing. And I can guarantee you that Scorch and others understand and hold no ill will. So why do you?

Try going to other game forums if you want to see true negative players. Go on over to 2k forums for Bioshock and see where people curse straight up to the devs and accuse them of all kinds of malicious crap. The game sold millions, yet they took a lot of abuse. Yet those people payed good money for a product and feel they need to impress their problems in far more negative ways than people here.

So far, I don't know of anyone who has said "I am not playing because of what I see so far." Which of course would be a drastic response to a game in early development. In the course of public relations and propaganda it is customary to throw out tidbits and feelers to gauge public response. Which is what every so called interview or announcement is for. And when someone cares about a game it is their duty to respond with approval or disapproval. In an effort to make the most return, all companies want to take the easiest path. It's not the customers job to let them do this. Customer feedback is what NetDevil and all companies need to stay on course to providing products that their customers need and will use.

[Tstrike3]

Originally Posted by Jump

Tstrike, I'm sure the people doing the coding aren't "globe trotting" around and are busy doing their jobs every day. In todays society you can't be successful in anonymity. The expense of networking is an unfortunate necessity. I'm sure traveling around and schmoozing the smiling faces gets pretty stale after awhile.

Ok I concede the point that I painted with a wide brush on the globetrotting thing and for that I sincerely apologize. I, too, know the importance of marketing and, conversely, contridicted myself. With that said:

I just want a little more meat. A little more substance. Hermann's interviews sound too canned (something I tell my sales folks NOT to do).... And frankly its... Oh forget it. The importance of the canned briefs is not the message within, but what they are not saying.. This is the reason why I ask for a little more meat on the Jumpgate Evolution bone.

Of course I could be a blathering idiot too..

[Ambrosius]

Problem is they are still working on the skeleton.

[Jonboy]

there is no more meat.

it's too early for there to be meat.

It's still alpha. I don't know why they are hyping this early, but I guess they need world-wide distributors, and for that it helps to have an idea of interest. However, it IS common for games to be hyped this early (c.f. PoTBS was in hype for ages). It's just that we Jumpgate Classic players are very excited to hear about Jumpgate Evolution. Too excited for my own good, in fact .