[Injustice]

Wise man once say, "Exploitation of a game mechanic is not a valid tactic".

[Bingofuel]

Originally Posted by netburnrol

You like never seeing other people?

Oh yes I miss the large population. Really miss my squad -=MACK=-. What I don't miss is Rollio and his ilk, P.O.D. and there ilk, all the bickering and trash talking.

The bickering and trash talking was berable compared to the ever growing population of so called roll player Civ rippers and pirates.

[Jump]

Originally Posted by Bingofuel

Oh yes I miss the large population. Really miss my squad -=MACK=-. What I don't miss is Rollio and his ilk, P.O.D. and there ilk, all the bickering and trash talking.

The bickering and trash talking was berable compared to the ever growing population of so called roll player Civ rippers and pirates.

You were in -=MACK=-?

[ELPIRATA]

we are the Iron Men. The carebears went elsewhere.

Interesting, Id say the iron men are mostly carebears :P Most of the PvPers leave or take many breaks to keep their sanity, we, the carebears are the only real crazy people who are still here, even after this PvPer or that PvPer has left.

At least on my case...

ELP

[daslog]

Originally Posted by Ambrosius

LOL, not shocking. The number of people who want to play "solo" always astounds me. What's the point?

Once you stop viewing things in absolutes, it becomes obvious.

For example, People who want to "solo" may want to play a game 80% of the time solo, and 20% with other players.

[netburnr]

Originally Posted by Algore

Did you ever do much economy work net, or do you just think stripping is lame because it means that other people that have done something making the game easier for YOU to play is undone?
Maybe I'm wrong, but the same people that advocate more freedom to self police, always tend to be those that take, take, take, as opposed to give, give give.
As in bullies, pirates, pvp'ers, mercs, call em what you will. These groups to me seem to want more freedom to do what they like, so long as the biatches(carebears) continue to provide the nescessary equipment/targets for THEM to have fun.

Regards
Al

Please see this thread for my reply...it was too long for here.
http://joystickrequired.com/forums/f...html#post21430

[daslog]

Almost forgot, I wanted to comment on stripping.

The problem with station stripping is that it alloes one side can actually “win” the battle over the other, at least temporarily. In a persistent game, it’s a bad thing to have winners and losers. Sound backwards? Let me explain.

In order for there to be a winner, there has to be a loser. What does it mean to be a loser in Jumpgate? There is no territory to lose and your POS is indestructible. The only way to win a war in Jumpgate is to make it so the loser doesn’t login anymore. You can either grief him out of the game or take away his desire to play.

Station stripping is one of those things that makes people not want to login. Who wants to fly with crappy equipment or no equipment at all? Logging in to a stripped station results in people logging out and doing something else.

Game mechanics that prevent the losers from recovering (like station stripping) just don’t work.

[Bingofuel]

Originally Posted by Jump

You were in -=MACK=-?

Yes sir, still am. Currently, I appear to be -=MACK=-. I'm doing my best to keep the tradition of trying to keep the stations stocked so dead pilots have what is needed to get back in space whereever they wind up, regardless of there faction. It's currently a bit tough since I started over and building my capitol from scratch.

You may have known me as Zaphod way back then. Maybe not, I tended to keep quite and off of anyones radar.

[netburnr]

Well said. Station stripping not only affects the fighters (or losers), but the entire server. What about that newb that just wants to load up his first fighter and go fluxxing? What about the tow pilot that needs those engines to bring needed materials?

Station stripping affects everyone, and that is why I was always willing to take a bounty to prevent, or discourage it. I think its stupid I had to spend hours of my time to work off a bounty (and then days to bring myself back into good standing) when some asshat decided he wanted to take all the balls and go home.

[Bingofuel]

Originally Posted by daslog

Almost forgot, I wanted to comment on stripping.

The problem with station stripping is that it alloes one side can actually “win” the battle over the other, at least temporarily. In a persistent game, it’s a bad thing to have winners and losers. Sound backwards? Let me explain.

In order for there to be a winner, there has to be a loser. What does it mean to be a loser in Jumpgate? There is no territory to lose and your POS is indestructible. The only way to win a war in Jumpgate is to make it so the loser doesn’t login anymore. You can either grief him out of the game or take away his desire to play.

Station stripping is one of those things that makes people not want to login. Who wants to fly with crappy equipment or no equipment at all? Logging in to a stripped station results in people logging out and doing something else.

Game mechanics that prevent the losers from recovering (like station stripping) just don’t work.

AMEN

An environmental solution to this would be to limit how many equipment class items,of any 1 item, that can be removed via cargo hold. Equipment would have to be manufactured in custom producers or some kind of crafting system so mass quantities can be made and delivered.

[netburnr]

Or only allow honorable pilots (HG) to carry large amounts of equipment. It will force them to use escorts and be an upstanding citizen.