[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by daslog

Your original point was that you won't necessarly got shot at on an open PvP server. That's simply nonsense.

Yet in 5 years of Jumpgate when I haven't actively seeked combat I haven't been shot... so your "guarantees" are simply nonsense. Please, FFS, stop presenting your OPINION as FACT. They are yet to be one and the same so far, so you may as well give it up now because it's irritating as hell.

[Jump]

Ok kids stop fighting and slinging mud or I will have to test my new secret weapon. Everyone presents opinion as fact when talking about game play, it is all subjective. Now move on from it.

[daslog]

Originally Posted by Jump

Ok kids stop fighting and slinging mud or I will have to test my new secret weapon. Everyone presents opinion as fact when talking about game play, it is all subjective. Now move on from it.

IMO, I apologize. In the future, I will start every post with IMO (starting with this one) so I don't confuse seph. As a token gesture, I will go back and edit all of my posts with IMO to clarify them, if asked.

[SlimPickns]

When i play Jumpgate Evolution i hope its non-consensual PvP,,,,,,

I will play it, anyway its made,,,

I came to Jumpgate, only after my other 24/7 fps worlds were fubar...

I have stayed, because theres no cheaters.. or not enough to mater..

I could of made, or tried to influence the game before the last MLT patch, but i did not.. I was into save the universe by mining and not paying attention to pvpers goin to pot. For not being a,,, ahhhh,, viable target to yous, I promise, i will in the future.. I will take your ores, your stocks, your everything.. i am so tired of youall. i could just blow up all the Knockers...

Does the previsos statememt mean anything, if its not non-consensual?

They after me nuts,,, maw...


I had that once,
In prison.

[dailatron]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

rofl, so then daslog, explain to me then why since I've returned to the game a couple months ago and put on pirate tags to suit my rebel RP and allow me to be in a multifactional squad the only time I've been shot at is when I actively seeked PvP (despite hauling equipment, commodities, and mining all wearing pirate tags while passing enemy pilots). Just because someone can shoot you down doesn't necessarily mean they will. Experience in JUMPGATE (the game which really matters in this particular discussion) has told me that.

And it's not just now either, years ago when I played I have never been shot while hauling or otherwise. I've never been attacked when I wasn't "consenting" to it. I've only ever been shot when I was looking for PvP.

Since that is the case, and since I could care less about other MMOGs, I'm going to go with MY experience in the matter.

Could it be that PvPers as a general rule dont shoot each others haulers, miners and usualy work on some sort of a consensual PvP ROC ?. That isnt the case for CIV rippers.

And for everyone that uses the saying wrong. Its, COULD NOT care less.

[feldman]

I say non-consensual. If you keep em bunching up their butt cheeks regularly it leads to a society with buns of steel!

Originally Posted by ELPIRATA

1. Twinky, killed my tow while I was in Gurge during the Sol Navy vs OEC war. Twinky was a 2nd account of somebody and out of the blue and in reg space, wiithout saying a word started to fire untill I died. I never saw the account online after that.


ELP

Twinky was not a second and still plays with Navy on other games.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Jump

Ok kids stop fighting and slinging mud or I will have to test my new secret weapon. Everyone presents opinion as fact when talking about game play, it is all subjective. Now move on from it.

Originally Posted by daslog

IMO, I apologize. In the future, I will start every post with IMO (starting with this one) so I don't confuse seph. As a token gesture, I will go back and edit all of my posts with IMO to clarify them, if asked.

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Originally Posted by dailatron

Could it be that PvPers as a general rule dont shoot each others haulers, miners and usualy work on some sort of a consensual PvP ROC ?. That isnt the case for CIV rippers.

And for everyone that uses the saying wrong. Its, COULD NOT care less.

Well that isn't the point dail, the point is despite the fact that people could have shot me since the game allows it and I wasn't shot at then the statement "if you can be shot, you will be shot" is false. And either way, how many true civ rippers have you seen in Jumpgate? Because honestly there have been very, very few. I mean just look at all the haulers and miners who have posted in these debates that they've been civ ripped like 3-4 times or something in their 7 years of Jumpgate, I'd say that's a pretty damn good record.

[ELPIRATA]

@Feldman: Twinky did not had Sol Navy tags when he ripped me and that I remember... we didnt had him on the hostile list. If he wanst a second, he did something that only second accounts would.

Anyways, the point is.. I've been killed in a cargo ship like 3 times, in 7 years.

@Daslog: The problem with 2 servers is that you'll never have the same people on them, so you can't make a point about who is better or worse. Having safezones dont mean that you'd have what it takes to prove the point, cause those that want unconsensual PvP will be on the other side, and the safezone server will be like walk in the park, without worries at all, well, except for the AI, which.. is not the problem.

ELP

[daslog]

Originally Posted by ELPIRATA

@Daslog: The problem with 2 servers is that you'll never have the same people on them, so you can't make a point about who is better or worse. Having safezones dont mean that you'd have what it takes to prove the point, cause those that want unconsensual PvP will be on the other side, and the safezone server will be like walk in the park, without worries at all, well, except for the AI, which.. is not the problem.

ELP

In my opinion,

I don't understand what you are saying. It doesn't really matter if the same people would be on both servers to me.

[Wild_Bill]

Scorch I wish you had put in a third option: The ability to choose the level of danger.

To me consentual PvP is MT/HG. Non-consentual would be Pirates. The reg/unreg means levels of danger to me. I'm not in favor of civ-chips or even Safe Zones. Safeer Zones perhaps, but varing levels of the danger of non-consentual PvP would be my choice. Good monetary or RP reasons to go to Unreg would be the easiest choice for Jumpgate Classic. What's going to happen in Jumpgate Evolution is still very much up in the air as near as I can tell.

I'm with Montaugh on the AI vs PC issue. I accept the AI danger but to know a real person wants to ruin my day seriously (insert expletive verb of your choice) me. I don't play to ruin other folks enjoyment and I don't see why they should ruin mine.

And like SlimPickens, I will play it however it's made.

[dahalb]

Pirates aren't necessarily out to ruin anyone's day. There are a few pirates i can remember that were PoD pirates who were quick nice folks, didn't charge a lot (100k or something) and were just trying to have fun themselves.
Playing a bad guy means that occasionally that do bad things. Its the RP not the person. I think sometimes we forget that RP and the person are not necessarily one and the same.

Anyway, as i see it, the only difference between and AI death and a PvP death is the time it takes to die. If you get killed by a civ they are automatically tagged as a pirate after the fact and if your anything like me you keep a list of dangerous ppl Just add them.

In over 5 years of playing (breaks included), i've been ripped once and i don't even remember who it was it was that long ago. There was no danger for me whatsoever in the end so I ran a fully artied Tug all over the damn map cause if anyone did try and take me out, i had two nukes and one helluva shield. If they got me good luck to 'em.

There's one other thing too, that someone mentioned. Your Rep. SlimPickns was never a target for Vae Victis because we knew him and his Rep. InterOrka was a target for Vae Victis because we knew him and his Rep. He didn't really complain tho. He put up a fight and never backed down. Your rep used to be your currency in game....whatever happened to that?!