[dailatron]

Originally Posted by Tritian

After reading your opinions on pirates, it's not shocking to learn you were civripped a lot. IMO, you could probably use a few more pod rides.

I was cived by civ rippers pretending to be pirates, thats where I get my opinions from. And that was before level 26 when I got a nix, funny that. I used to pay most of my POD request if done by more than 2 pirates, just to get them out of the way, bit like waving your hand to get rid of flies.

BTW, good attitude civver.

@Ambro, even less relevent as its only 35 people and the most vocal here are self confessed civ rippers to boot.

[Tritian]

Originally Posted by dailatron

I was cived by civ rippers pretending to be pirates, thats where I get my opinions from. And that was before level 26 when I got a nix, funny that. I used to pay most of my POD request if done by more than 2 pirates, just to get them out of the way, bit like waving your hand to get rid of flies.

BTW, good attitude civver.

If they never asked you for a PoD, what makes you think they were pretending to be pirates?

Maybe they just wanted to kill you because you're a very opinionated person who likes to throw OOC insults at people who RP differently then you. Ever think of that?

[SlimPickns]

There has to be a way for PvE and PvP to play in the same enviroment.

PvE would not be able to influence things that PvPers do, and vise versa.

My solution might not be the right one, or even viable, but i would have peeps chose a trade after lvl 21, or 26, or anytime, if they know what they want to do for certian.

There would be two trades, fighter, and civ.

There would be two mission generators. one, for each trade.

Civs would not be able to haul from the PvP list, and vice versa.

Two complete equipment lists would be needed. Civ missles would be different then PvP ones.

Two markets, say a milt complex one, and the civ one. If not, simple things like aluminum could make life difficult for someone.

The station generating ores, like before the mining patch, might have to be reinstaled for the PvP peeps. With hauling things like explosives, that are spawned, or cpus. to make fighting equipment, the only hauling nesessary. Maybe a ore like carbon that is spawned, but if the cargo is over the 8k unit mass, it cant be hauled sucessfuly, if the hauler is under attack. I could haul only 400 units of explosives, with foes on my tail, and then i was fired on for three sectors, with two escorts.

I dont know how a civ market should be set up, maybe they put mission things into a customized gear maker. It would make a hoodornament that sniffs out gold roids.. But there are developers that can, and are experienced with the PvE enviroment that know how to keep them happy.

The com chs would be different, cash would not be transferable under any conditions.

It would be a paralel universe, that one can see, but not touch.

Pirates might not have a RP, with fewer haulers, and having to compete with existing squads to get, the hauler. Maybe specific ships for Pirates, that give them the edge in pirate specific tasks. Like being able to rob a hauler while under escort, kinda ship. Maybe being able to attach themselvs to the hauler, grab the loot, and jet. And if the escorts fire on the attached pirate they do dammage to the hauler, say attachment drops shields?

I dont know, but we might have to concede somthing to have PvE peeps in the game. I dont care what they do, if its fun for them. Its realy frustrating for civs to influence the game by hauling off somthing that makes something, we realy need. Without shooting them. And its not fun shooting a peep when theres profit in what he does, even if i cant make guns, because of it.

The risk to reward raito, will get some to fly into harms way. But not everyone. And most will fly those missions during off hrs. I had to go get the explosives, HG, relog at prime time to get any action, even in the old days. Its a little different with the EU peeps here, they fly durning off hrs, so my statment of off hrs, mught not apply now.

But anywhoo,, just my two cents worth.

I had that once,
In prison.

[dailatron]

Originally Posted by Tritian

If they never asked you for a PoD, what makes you think they were pretending to be pirates?

Maybe they just wanted to kill you because you're a very opinionated person who likes to throw OOC insults at people who RP differently then you. Ever think of that?

I said before I had time to pay a pay a POD. Like, F3: POD 300k. POP, POP, POP, POP dead. And that was the ones that pretended. My opinions are a result of being ripped not the cause of it. Its only listening to people like you that makes me speak out. Did you not set up an RP of killing miners in quant space without any POD given before ?. Thats real pirates at work there.

Im not advocating getting rip of pirates or "bad guys" I just want them suitably punished if they happen to get caught/killed.

Tritian you need to stop questioning me, all it does is highlight more reasons to control civ ripping.

[dahalb]

@Dial - Let me just clear something up. When i ran VV we never and i mean never actively hunted anyone that was under level 26. InterOrka knew who we were and it was all in fun - Including for him. It was never about making him feel bad or us feel good, we tried to pirate him both ways (PoD and tools) sometimes we won, sometimes he won. And i gotta say, he probably got more out of it than we did (credit wise). If i logged in as that account i did not switch accounts in order to avoid "policing". In fact, those who knew i was actively flying that were in DE actively hunted me/us too. The RP of both squads called for it. I was never a lamer who dodged justice or flipped accounts just because of acts committed in another. The two RP's were separated in that way. As things got around (as they always do) some ppl had a problem with it and they and i/we dealt with it at that time, others respected the different RP's and a very few, didn't, couldn't or wouldn't deal with it at all. But everyone is entitled to do whatever they wish. Thats what i love about Jumpgate. Practically anything is possible if you want it to be (RP wise). Let me ask you this....did we ever "civ" you without a PoD request? Did we ever actually attack you at all? I can't remember ever doing so!

Ambro is right about one thing, there are only about 100 active flyers. So any lamers that are still flying may take up a larger than normal percentage of the population. With 10-20,000 that percentage will be negligible in my estimation. I wouldn't worry your pretty little head about it tho, i'm sure you'll get lost in that big a crowd and wont have to deal with them. I would appreciate you not lumping every Pirate or PvPer in with that crowd tho.

As for splitting the PvE and PvP folks up, i don't really want to see that happen. I enjoyed every facet of the game. I've literally done just about everything the game lets me do. Occasionally shyte happens and it happened to me too. I think that everyone can and should interact together even tho sometimes it can be frustrating. Part of the fun for me was the adventure of launching. What was gonna happen next. Most of the time, things went to plan and occasionally they didn't but i kept playing, got myself some training or practised what i needed and then dealt with my business, sometimes with friends along side to help. And that i thought was the whole idea of playing an MMO. Having others there that you can talk to, play with and having people who will help you out when you need it. I don't know about you, but i like a damn site more people than i dislike.

/Rant off

[dailatron]

Originally Posted by dahalb

Let me ask you this....did we ever "civ" you without a PoD request? Did we ever actually attack you at all? I can't remember ever doing so!

LOL please. I dont wish to sound rude but when I came to the US server I was in OV and it was we that hunted you and when we did kill any VV or DE they would generaly cry (no offense) and log.

DE and VV joined together to civ bounty hunt oops sorry punish the dishonourable OV (because we gasp killed fighter ships in claimed sectors or killed VV in unreg). There is more but it will only upset people.

Originally Posted by dahalb

I wouldn't worry your pretty little head about it tho, i'm sure you'll get lost in that big a crowd and wont have to deal with them. I would appreciate you not lumping every Pirate or PvPer in with that crowd tho.

Sorry is that aimed at me ?. If so, you need to check my stats/tags and squad. Because believe me I WILL be dealing with them.

edit: Just to clarify I am a good friend of doe (who if truth be told is probably one of the most decent people Ive met in Jumpgate) and a few other unnamed pirates. So I dont think all pirates, bad guys are lamers. its just that a lot of lamers do choose the bad guy role.

[dahalb]

I apologise for not remembering you but i gotta say i still can't. You just aint that memorable to me. Perhaps to others...Sorry. As for the OV thing, jeez that was fun. VV and DE had a NAP for that so we could both attack OV without having to worry about each other, but we still killed each other too so don't worry. IIRC at the time OV was about the be all and end all of the PvP squads. When you guys came over the status quo went straight out the window. Having not played in a while and not being that active atm i don't know if that's still the case but what the hey...As for you being in OV, well then we didn't civ you, you hunted us and we hunted you, all was fair Not sure how you can claim anything against us other than we were an opponent in combat. Which is a badge i'm happy to wear.

[dailatron]

Originally Posted by dahalb

As for the OV thing, jeez that was fun. VV and DE had a NAP for that so we could both attack OV without having to worry about each other, but we still killed each other too so don't worry. IIRC at the time OV was about the be all and end all of the PvP squads. When you guys came over the status quo went straight out the window. Having not played in a while and not being that active atm i don't know if that's still the case but what the hey...As for you being in OV, well then we didn't civ you, you hunted us and we hunted you, all was fair Not sure how you can claim anything against us other than we were an opponent in combat. Which is a badge i'm happy to wear.

Indeed it was fun, but getting squads to fight us was hard so I was made unoffical spokesman/stirrer for my natural ability to annoy people into wanting to kill us/me . The DE thing was before I was made the non diplomatic spokesman for OV.

[dahalb]

Well you kinda did outnumber them/us a bit at the time. They weren't exactly gonna be lambs to the slaughter although we were al ot of the time lol.

[Tritian]

Originally Posted by dailatron

Did you not set up an RP of killing miners in quant space without any POD given before ?. Thats real pirates at work there.

Umm, nope. Not that I think that is that particularly horrible, but no I never did that.

I will tell you an interesting story about a certain high ranking member of OV, who found me flying through Quant space one day, flagged me down and told me to follow him to the next sector over. There he introduced me to a mining quant named feldman and told me to kill him. When I refused to civrip feldman, he then removed my docking privileges at OV Prime.

For the record, I dont believe I should of had docking privileges at OV Prime anyway since I was a pirate and all, and I dont mind that they were removed. I just thought the whole situation was a little strange.

I mention it now because some people are getting awfully high-and-mighty. And you need to realize it's a fricken game, and no one is a saint. One person's pirate is another persons privateer. One persons murderer is another persons holy warrior.

Get a grip.

Originally Posted by dailatron

Tritian you need to stop questioning me, all it does is highlight more reasons to control civ ripping.

On the contrary. I believe people who read your blatant and insulting generalizations that all people who engage in non-consensual pvp "torture small animals" get to see a first hand example of why civ-ripping should be allowed.