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[Tritian]

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

Turrets.

You got picked on a lot in school because of your voice didn't you? Is that why you like to bully people online, because you got bullied IRL?

hahaha

Very mature. You resort to making fun of my lisp over TeamSpeak when your arguments get torn apart.


I don't bully people online. Most of the time I take no pleasure in killing them. I'd much prefer they pay for a NAP, or pay me incrementally via my PoD demand. If they don't, I am forced to civ-rip.

If I didn't, no one would ever pay me. They would just laugh and fly off...

[GrimGriz]

And what argument did you tear apart? You still don't seem to want to address the only point I've tried to make in this thread:

Nonetheless, the point I was trying to make that failed to address remains the same - the bullies are no better than the brats, everybody just wants to play the game their way.

Is that because I'm right? As far as making fun of your lisp...nah, I was just curious if that's why you were the way you were online. The hahaha was because of how pathetic it would be if it was true

[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by Tritian

Very mature. You resort to making fun of my lisp over TeamSpeak when your arguments get torn apart.

You know what, fuck you. You started this by making fun of the fact that I'm on medication, and then cry foul when I mention that you talk funny because your broke your teeth giving head to your dad? Bullshit.

[Tritian]

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

Nonetheless, the point I was trying to make that failed to address remains the same - the bullies are no better than the brats, everybody just wants to play the game their way.

You seem to confuse RP with reality. If my CHARACTER pirates your CHARACTER, it is your responsibility in a Role Playing game to act as you feel your character should, just as it is my responsibility to act as my character should.

I don't give a fuck whether you want to RP or not. Jumpgate is an RP game, where we pretend we are space pilots. Some people are going to pretend to be pirates, others will pretend to be cargo runners. How we prefer to play the game governs our RP choice.

The difference between the brats and the 'bullies', is that the brats do not see this. They take it personally. It's not personal, for me. It's a fricken video game. It's fricken role play.

If you dont understand that, you shouldn't play a game where we are encouraged to Role Play.

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

Is that because I'm right? As far as making fun of your lisp...nah, I was just curious if that's why you were the way you were online. The hahaha was because of how pathetic it would be if it was true

I wasn't the most popular kid in school, but I was never chronically bullied, except in 5th grade. And he got punched in the face, which ended that.

And just like in real life, if you are getting bullied in a video game either A) stand up and fight, or B) it pays to have big friends. Just like it paid for haulers to have big friends in Jumpgate Classic, like MACK.

Whining to get the game changed to suit your playing style which happens to directly nerf other peoples playing styles is NOT the answer. In-game solutions for in-game problems.

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

You know what, fuck you. You started this by making fun of the fact that I'm on medication, and then cry foul when I mention that you talk funny because your broke your teeth giving head to your dad? Bullshit.

I didn't know you took meds until just now. Although, I could of guessed.

[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by Tritian

You seem to confuse RP with reality. If my CHARACTER pirates your CHARACTER, it is your responsibility in a Role Playing game to act as you feel your character should, just as it is my responsibility to act as my character should.

There's no RP when playing with evil.

You seem to forget the fact that these characters are in accounts that are paid for by people, and those people are the customers the developers want to have.

You want to play the game with deep immersion RP, some other people want to be left alone and unwind playing a game after work. Your way is just a different way of playing...but your $15 is just as good as their $15, and as a company interested in profit the devs are going to cater to whichever style gets them the most $$.

The difference between the brats and the bullies may be that the brats don't except the bullies way of playing the game, but on the same foot the bullies don't accept the brats way of playing the game. Both sides just want it their own way. Neither is better or more right.

Arguing on forums and telling people who prefer a different playstyle that they are brats does absolutely no good. The devs might even acknowledge that there are 2 camps, but if they do, you better hope that your camp can bring in the most $$...because whatever side can do that is the side the game will be designed for - personal interpretations of how to play it aside.

[Tritian]

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

You want to play the game with deep immersion RP, some other people want to be left alone and unwind playing a game after work.

Jumpgate allowed for both. But even Tetris throws you a bad block every once in awhile.

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

Your way is just a different way of playing...but your $15 is just as good as their $15, and as a company interested in profit the devs are going to cater to whichever style gets them the most $$.

If every developer followed that logic, every game would be exactly the same. You pick a audience for your project, and then your cater to that audience. Jumpgate Classic attracted people who enjoyed open ended gameplay and RP. Those that didn't, shouldn't of kept trying to turn Jumpgate Classic into something it was not ment to be.

Jumpgate Classic was never ment to be a game where you can play it while in a coma. If you want to sit back and watch your skills increase, then play a different game... one that caters to those types... like Progress Quest.

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

The difference between the brats and the bullies may be that the brats don't except the bullies way of playing the game, but on the same foot the bullies don't accept the brats way of playing the game. Both sides just want it their own way. Neither is better or more right.

Wrong. Pirates want/need haulers, and most haulers want/need pirates to make hauling less boring. It's just a select few whining brats that cant handle RP who ruin it for the rest.

Thus your analogy makes zero sense, as usual.

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

Arguing on forums and telling people who prefer a different playstyle that they are brats does absolutely no good. The devs might even acknowledge that there are 2 camps, but if they do, you better hope that your camp can bring in the most $$...because whatever side can do that is the side the game will be designed for - personal interpretations of how to play it aside.

The direction of the game is not determined by who has the most money. As I have already stated, every game would be exactly the same if that were the case, and there would be no room for revolutionary titles like Jumpgate Classic.

Instead, games are designed based on their target audience. ND's target audience is people who enjoy RP and space combat games. If you cant handle RP, and if you cant handle Space Combat, then what the fuck are you doing playing Jumpgate? Why would you continue to play Jumpgate and turn it into a different game? Why should anyone pay these whiners any attention?

I don't play Checkers and then start whining that it's not more like Chess. I play Chess instead, because I want deeper gameplay. If i wanted simplistic gameplay after a long hard day at work, then I'd play Checkers.

[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by Tritian

The direction of the game is not determined by who has the most money. As I have already stated, every game would be exactly the same if that were the case, and there would be no room for revolutionary titles like Jumpgate Classic.

We'll see. On one hand I hope you're right, as it'd be a game I'd prefer to play. On the other hand, if you're right I suspect the game will fail.

Of course, I believe they're going to mix 2 genre's again and we'll have another auto assault on our hands. I don't think that the people who like space combat are the same people who like grinding for gear.

There's a lot left to play out...and time will tell.

Wrong. Pirates want/need haulers, and most haulers want/need pirates to make hauling less boring. It's just a select few whining brats that cant handle RP who ruin it for the rest.

I'll have to take your word for it as I don't go to the ND boards. Karash's post gave me the impression that the bullies were the select few over there, based on that whole "signal to noise" remark.

[Tritian]

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

I'll have to take your word for it as I don't go to the ND boards. Karash's post gave me the impression that the bullies were the select few over there, based on that whole "signal to noise" remark.

You haven't even read the post you are bashing? Jesus fuck, you are an incompetent piece of shit.

Do you ever know what you are trolling about, or do you just go blindly from post to post trying to figure out what would be the most effective thing to say to derail a thread, to force yet more people to hold your hand and lead you blindly through your own fog of fail.

[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by Tritian

You haven't even read the post you are bashing?

They've been the same for the last 5 years, you don't really need to read them anymore. I wasn't bashing it anyway, just saying that you're no better than the people you're calling brats. You're both the same thing, potential Jumpgate Evolution customers.

p.s. If you gank my hauler in Jumpgate Evolution, I'm going to log into my 70, kill you, and camp your debris.

[Tritian]

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

you're no better than the people you're calling brats. You're both the same thing, potential Jumpgate Evolution customers.

Huh? We're both human beings also, but that wasn't the point of contention.

The differences we were discussing were the ones specific to how the they handle in-game RP situations and how the rest of the community handles them.

If you cant follow the subject of the conversation, and cant be arsed to do the slightest bit of research by reading the post in question, then perhaps you shouldn't contribute negatively towards it.

It makes you look like a fucking idiot, and you certainly needed no extra help in that department.