So quiet

Chaser

It was said on at least one vid interview that the game is still about skill, they mentioned if you shoot and miss a target, thats it, you just missed. It says a lot about you guys worrying, though, it will have 'beginner mode' for people to get used to playing, and 'skilled mode' for all you guys with the great skills, just the new one sounds like you at least have a choice, something the old Jumpgate didnt give anyone. And yes, many people have to admit to not having the great skills, but does that mean they cant play, or have to leave, I think the new game gives everyone a better chance, your choice.

Radi

Meh, we will see in beta.

Ambrosius

"Skill" can mean so many things. Jumpgate will retain its FPS aspect in that you have to aim and shoot. But the skill factor is very-much impacted by things like ship size and profile, hitbox size and weapon damage.

Jumpgate Classic required lots of aiming skill as well as situational awareness flying skill. Let's hope that's not nerfed too much in the name of "accessibility."

Istanbul

I dunno Ambro... Nerf makes some pretty scary guns that take a lot of skill to use.

dahalb

From what i have seen, i dont think nerf is an accurate description of how they have changed any skill requirements in favour of accessability. THat said, bring on the beta so we can experience whats happened since and really know for sure

Ambrosius

Auto-docking and roid bouncing is (IMO) the epitome of "nerf." It's like the stations and rocks are made of foam rubber.

ELPIRATA

Remember... GOD mode was on.

ELP

Ambrosius

Quote:

Originally Posted by ELPIRATA

Remember... GOD mode was on.

I was not referring to the video. I was talking about a) my test-flight experience back in December and b) subsequent dev posts/discussions.

dahalb

When ND came Australia i didn't see any evidence that you could "bounce" off roids. In fact iirc, two of us "died" from roid collisions.

WarGiver

I think what was meant by auto docking was like in classic where there were docking modx. A noob feature that although can be added to any ship no self respecting pilot used them when they learned to dock on their own.

At least this is what I hope it means.

Ambrosius

Quote:

Originally Posted by dahalb

When ND came Australia i didn't see any evidence that you could "bounce" off roids. In fact iirc, two of us "died" from roid collisions.

I did not bounce off any in my flight test -- that came from ND in various posts/articles/discussions. The basically said that crashing into something, including roids, would not be auto-death -- and that damage balancing would be done in beta. This would not be nearly so bad as core station docking where you point and fly and bounce your way in without any skill requirement at all. It's freaking horrendous.

ELPIRATA

Hey Ambro:

Just read today that there was a dolby chat mention on one of the interviews and apparently Awen confirmed that its a chat system that allows you to get positional feedback of your teammates (while in same sector), so if they are at your right, you will hear it on the right channel. Seing that the system is 'dolby' might mean that supports 5.1 systems.

People are already complaining/observing that a mono option is more desirable so that it feels more 'real', kind of along the lines of BSG, with distortion and all. I liked BSG's mode, but this is not a movie/tvseries, the information we get is vital.

Anyways, wanted to let you know because it got my attention.

ELP

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	Chaser Member Joystick: Wingman Force 3d Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pennsylvania, usa Posts: 120 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0	Re: So quiet It was said on at least one vid interview that the game is still about skill, they mentioned if you shoot and miss a target, thats it, you just missed. It says a lot about you guys worrying, though, it will have 'beginner mode' for people to get used to playing, and 'skilled mode' for all you guys with the great skills, just the new one sounds like you at least have a choice, something the old Jumpgate didnt give anyone. And yes, many people have to admit to not having the great skills, but does that mean they cant play, or have to leave, I think the new game gives everyone a better chance, your choice.


	Radi Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 647 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0	Re: So quiet Meh, we will see in beta.


	Ambrosius Member Pilot Name: Ambrosius Faction: Quantar Joystick: MS FF2 Join Date: May 2004 Location: The Stone Temple Posts: 1,939 Nominated 4 Times in 3 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 3	Re: So quiet "Skill" can mean so many things. Jumpgate will retain its FPS aspect in that you have to aim and shoot. But the skill factor is very-much impacted by things like ship size and profile, hitbox size and weapon damage. Jumpgate Classic required lots of aiming skill as well as situational awareness flying skill. Let's hope that's not nerfed too much in the name of "accessibility."
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	Istanbul Member Pilot Name: Istanbul Joystick: Logitech Extreme 3D Pro Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: WI Posts: 815 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0	Re: So quiet I dunno Ambro... Nerf makes some pretty scary guns that take a lot of skill to use.
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	dahalb Member Pilot Name: dahalb Faction: Solrain Joystick: None Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oz Posts: 416 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0	Re: So quiet From what i have seen, i dont think nerf is an accurate description of how they have changed any skill requirements in favour of accessability. THat said, bring on the beta so we can experience whats happened since and really know for sure
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	Ambrosius Member Pilot Name: Ambrosius Faction: Quantar Joystick: MS FF2 Join Date: May 2004 Location: The Stone Temple Posts: 1,939 Nominated 4 Times in 3 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 3	Re: So quiet Auto-docking and roid bouncing is (IMO) the epitome of "nerf." It's like the stations and rocks are made of foam rubber.


	ELPIRATA Moderator Pilot Name: ELPIRATA Faction: non-aligned Joystick: Saitek X45 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Carolina, PR Posts: 1,542 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0	Re: So quiet Remember... GOD mode was on. ELP


	dahalb Member Pilot Name: dahalb Faction: Solrain Joystick: None Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oz Posts: 416 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0	Re: So quiet When ND came Australia i didn't see any evidence that you could "bounce" off roids. In fact iirc, two of us "died" from roid collisions.


	WarGiver Recruit Pilot Name: WarGiver Faction: Solrain Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 7 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0	Re: So quiet I think what was meant by auto docking was like in classic where there were docking modx. A noob feature that although can be added to any ship no self respecting pilot used them when they learned to dock on their own. At least this is what I hope it means.
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	ELPIRATA Moderator Pilot Name: ELPIRATA Faction: non-aligned Joystick: Saitek X45 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Carolina, PR Posts: 1,542 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0	Re: So quiet Hey Ambro: Just read today that there was a dolby chat mention on one of the interviews and apparently Awen confirmed that its a chat system that allows you to get positional feedback of your teammates (while in same sector), so if they are at your right, you will hear it on the right channel. Seing that the system is 'dolby' might mean that supports 5.1 systems. People are already complaining/observing that a mono option is more desirable so that it feels more 'real', kind of along the lines of BSG, with distortion and all. I liked BSG's mode, but this is not a movie/tvseries, the information we get is vital. Anyways, wanted to let you know because it got my attention. ELP