[SingleShot]

Yes, I would. But I've long since climbed up the skill tree far enough to dish out more abuse than I'd take, so no tags would be a benefit to me, I suppose.

[Lordopic]

Here we go again one more thread about the same thing talked about in a number of threads but under different names.

Still just so I don’t have to come back to this one.

Depends on what was implemented in place of tags or safe space or whatever else was to make it a good gaming environment, and not quake in space where if it moves shoot it, Ill be getting Unreal Tournament for that., if it lost the game play I enjoy then no if it was the same then yes.

[dailatron]

Originally Posted by SingleShot

Yes, I would. But I've long since climbed up the skill tree far enough to dish out more abuse than I'd take, so tags would be a benefit to me, I suppose.

Im with SS just not so far up the skill tree, but I have a squad and friends that are.

Id prefer some sort of tag system even if its just so bounties can happen in regulated space for those less able.

[dailatron]

Originally Posted by netburnrol

A murder is out on the loose. What happens, the cops tell the media, the media tells the people, the people tell the cops, the cops go find the person. There is no bounty (in most cases) in real life, there are no people stealing your gun, there is no running from one state to another to get your rep back.

But if you get caught you either get killed in the process or end up in prison for a very long time and sometimes even get killed while in prison.

The real question is. Is it a criminal offence to not have insurance while flying CIV ?.

[dahalb]

I voted yes. I would play without a tag system. The only thing i would like to see stay is some sort of bounty system.

Originally Posted by netburnrol

I wonder if anyone is going to read (or understand) all that

I read it and understood it and agree with it even I also agree with what ELP said.

As for griefing well you obviously have never actually been griefed. A one off PvP v PVE being greifing is just crap. When someone goes out of their way to make your life miserable within the confines of the system, that is griefing. Imagine not being able to launch because every time you do your hunted down and killed not because of any tag you carry or any other valid reason other than the person behind the guns wants to make you quit. THAT is griefing.

[dailatron]

Originally Posted by dahalb

As for griefing well you obviously have never actually been griefed. A one off PvP v PVE being greifing is just crap. When someone goes out of their way to make your life miserable within the confines of the system, that is griefing. Imagine not being able to launch because every time you do your hunted down and killed not because of any tag you carry or any other valid reason other than the person behind the guns wants to make you quit. THAT is griefing.

Well surely griefing is done by a griefer and a griefer is someone that kills because they get a kick out of it or just because they can. So if you get killed by someone that just plays to kill players while minding your own business, you are griefed by proxy.

Its not about being killed over and over again. Its the actions of the killer that determin griefing surely.

[dahalb]

I concede your point. The griefers motivation should also be taken into account. But being killed once is hardly being greifed.

[netburnr]

Originally Posted by dahalb

As for griefing well you obviously have never actually been griefed.

Your right, in fact only a very small amount of people were ever "griefed" meanwhile 99% of people have cried it once.

I've been shot down countless times in a civ ship, I've been shot down countless times in a tow, I've been shot down in a miner, etc etc etc.

About the closest I ever got to being "griefed" is when I was hauling equipment from one faction station to another, I jumped into an empty sector, throttled up for the next gate and as soon as I passed a roid rollio popped out and lit me up. I asked on f3 if I could pay a ransom, he laughed and continued to shoot until I died. This was back when equipment was uninsured, I lost litterally all of my money. I took my pod ride, and when I got back to the station I started crying (not literally). A few weeks later with the help of a few people I had enough money to get back in a figher again and I hunted that mofoer for about 3 weeks. Never did actually get to finish him off, but it gave me something to do...

And for the record, I hunted him HG even though he was bountied because even before I played a pirate I knew that attacking anyone with a civ tag on, regardless of if they have a bounty, unreg, etc is "lame"

The only reason I beleived (at the time) that it was griefing was because he did not offer a PoD, or accept a bribe, he just plain didn't care, he just wanted to +1 his kill stat, and that imho is lame, there was no RP or IC about it, he was just an *******.

[dahalb]

Excellent anecdote! And now back to the regularly scheduled topic

[Ambrosius]

there was no RP or IC about it, he was just an *******.

Perhaps his RP was that of a psycopathic killer. I suspect Rollio would have done the same thing even if (like now) he got no stat for the kill. He liked being infamous and he liked being hunted.

[netburnr]

Originally Posted by Ambrosius

Perhaps his RP was that of a psycopathic killer. I suspect Rollio would have done the same thing even if (like now) he got no stat for the kill. He liked being infamous and he liked being hunted.

I never once saw Rollio use RP in his day to day activities. He never posted IC on the forums, and for the most part he was silent. But like I said, I still didn't consider him a griefer, he is well within his rights to sit on a roid a wait for a tow to blow up, he took the bounty and negative PR (actually thats a lie, he was already at max negative), and got hunted for weeks by me for it.

So its pretty obvious tags mean jack, if someone wants to rip you, they will, regardless of any stupid systems you put in place. Its up to the players to police people like that, and that is exactly what happened.