[GrimGriz]

Ambro, he called you a giraffe, you should KOS him.

[vorlon31]

Originally Posted by Ambrosius

No, I think a better motto is: "Jumpgate is a PvP game -- deal with it."

If people are alienated by the fact that Jumpgate is a PvP game, there's not a lot to be done about it. You can't make it something it is not. There are places within the Jumpgate universe where people can do things other than PvP, but the fact remains that the game and the game mechanics, and much of the official story arc have, and will continue to, revolve around PvP.

But seriously that is THE most narrow minded rollox Ive read in ages and I think your being deliberately stupid. I think its deliberate anyway.

'IF' people were being alienated and sidelined because they do not wish to pvp in Jumpgate, one of the first things that could be done would be to erase every post where youve said exactly what youve just said. The game cant alienate, only other players can.

And if a game is to keep being played it needs to capture new players, to apeal in new ways and to EVOLVE - like jumpgate has done if you open your eyes and see.

PVP is a big part yes, but not all. PVP like pve are parts of the game and each is equaly as valid and as important as the other.

Honestly, to me it all reads like you activy wish to condemn Jumpgate to the grave, to dwindling players just because you cnt share what you consider to be your toys etc...

Ahhhhhh..... hang on..... I got you now...

You LIKED it better before it became the wws, when there were just 13 players logged on at peak times. When the whole of tri felt like your own little personal playground and there was all the kit you could ever need in abundance in all the of the stations. I will give you a tip it was like that because attitudes like yours had driven off all those pesky other players who werent in your 'special' club and with them went their pesky $$'s too.

Stagnation is bad m8, just ask the dinosaurs.



Besides, you may of missed when I wrote this before so I'll say it nice and clearly again.

*cough*

I've been playing jumpgate for over 4 years and I see the pvp elements of Jumpgate (although important at times) as being secondary to what I play for...

Tadaaaa..... So the fact that I log in and continue to do so blows your entire opinion out of the water anyway m8. So c'mon let me hold your hand and help you out of the cave, evolution is good and we live in houses now and the dinosaurs, well they went extinct running around saying "down with darwin"

[Wild_Bill]

(Applauds vorlon31 and steps aside to avoid the flying stinky sticky stuff)

[Gent30]

Originally Posted by ELPIRATA

Vorlon:

The moment u put a RP story for everybody to see and interact with... that moment u open a chance for things to get out of control and snowball from there.

"free flowing rp (ie it goes where it goes)" - it did exactly that. It when wherever it went.. and it did not go well for you or your squad mates.

And, IMO, you guys tend to forget that we are all in a MMORPG... and RP lines of you or me and anyone else, will collide and clash. Its inevitably true. You can't think that just because you're a PvE squad people will let you go and do whatever RP you want to present. Actions have consequences.
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Also, gotta remember how blunt many folks are in the way they interpret RP stories. Many folks play the role of a extreme factional guy, which will stop at nothing to protect their government, and you can't simply ask them to look away. They are the one with the guns and the know how to make you all pay for this minor mistake, bounties are nothing compared with it.... because they have all the rights as well to play like that, they are also paying remember.

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ELP

I couldn't have said it better myself.
I responded to an accusation, with an accusation and threat.

Normally I would have talked first.

[Ambrosius]

Originally Posted by vorlon31

PVP is a big part yes, but not all. PVP like pve are parts of the game and each is equaly as valid and as important as the other.

Ummm ... NO. Unfortunately that's some fantasy you have. It's not Jumpgate.

I'm not saying I WANT Jumpgate to be a PvP game -- I'm saying that it is. That's the way the game was built ... whether I like it that way or you like it that way. Scott Brown and friends created a PvP game, but one where the PvPers needed some support from others for their machinery of war to work.

It is not equal parts PvP, PvE -- it is not equally fighting and econ. It is PRIMARILY a pvp game that has niches for other to fill.

Perhaps some day when Istvan has a change to completely rewrite the code and the game works, it might become the game you're describing. But it's not there today. NOt because that's what I want or you want or Gent Wants or Wild_Bill wants -- it's just the way it's made.

[Supermax]

Jumpgate was probably never meant to be a RPG either. Yet players have - mostly on the EU server - created and played some very interesting RP backstories, personal histories, conflicts and vendettas that far exceeded the original intention of the game.

So, while Jumpgate may indeed have started as a pure PvP game, the ability to completely ignore this aspect and do whatever you please (limited only by the game mechanics) is one of its strongest point IMO.

[Ambrosius]

Sure -- you just can't whine and complain when you get shot-at.

[Istanbul]

Where is that in the terms of service or code of conduct or anything else? :P

[Ambrosius]

Where is what?

[QrazyKermi]

Carmen Sandiego.

[Istanbul]

Originally Posted by Ambrosius

Sure -- you just can't whine and complain when you get shot-at.

I'm sorry, i should've quoted it for you... :P

where is taht in the ToS/CoC?

[Ambrosius]

Originally Posted by Istanbul

I'm sorry, i should've quoted it for you... :P

where is taht in the ToS/CoC?

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[Istanbul]

well, good, i didn't break the rules the one time I got civved by ernie then (in a ranger, doh) I just logged off ^.^