[vorlon31]

re http://forums.jossh.com/showthread.p...threadid=26623

This is the 2nd time I have attempted an unofficial RP storyline for FC pilots to partake in here on the wws only to have it stomped on by GMK (in one of his guises) and his inability to do anything but threaten to bounty the whole of my squad for daring to do it.

FFS get an imagination man! Already FC civilian pilots have come under fire as a direct response to this thread (ty Gent I HAD expected far far more from you).

Is it so bludy hard for everyone NOT to jump on the bandwagon and start shooting civilian shipping at the merest wisp of opportunity?

JEEESHH do you NOT understand the difference between PVP players and PVE’s?

I apologise for getting bored of the official biomass/Hyperial rp we had going gmk, but 2 months of sitting on my butt waiting and wondering what the next step was that I needed to make to match what was in your head, was just too much.

So I posted it all here as a dump, to off-load it onto whoever might want to take up the challenge.

Afterwards, I intended to use the dump thing as an opportunity to vanish for a while and take a little time to work on my story. In my absence the idea was for the squad to have a little fun looking for me in what I like as free flowing rp (ie it goes where it goes). However I forgot about the bounty threatening king who swooped down and struck again putting that idea to an end.

I can’t believe that I once again under estimated your ability to crush non GMK initiated RP.

Just like when I independently arranged to have the sentient biomass stolen from grimgriz for the purpose of developing some squad and personal rp from it, (which was coming along very nicely) and you demanded I hand it back or face having an oct bounty on my entire squad. AND what have YOU done with it since??? Nothing.

You really do have a standard practice of threatening to bounty non pvp players as a tool to stifle independent thinking don’t you.

FACT, FC have as much interest in PVP as balrog do in mining common ore.

So with that in mind, to all concerned, THIS THREAD IS NULL AND VOID AND EVERY CLAIM AND ACCUSATION CNTAINED WITHIN ARE RETRACTED.

FC ARE NOT OCTAVIAN SPIES, SOLRAIN SNEAKERS OR QUANTAR HATERS, so point your guns away from our civilian ships.

Flux Clearance are a group of people who pay to play against the jumpgate environment (PVE Player vs Environment). We flux, mine, do economy work and occasionally dare attempt a little role play along the way to keep things interesting.

SO, IS THAT CLEAR NOW – THIS THREAD AND ITS CONTENTS HAVE NO RELEVENCE ANY MORE! THE ROLE PLAY IS DEAD, DECEASED AND NOT BEING PLAYED OUT. CLEAR?

[vorlon31]

If someone could paste that into the jossh thread I would be gratefull, i have yet to have my forum rights reinstated to do it myself.

[ELPIRATA]

Vorlon:

The moment u put a RP story for everybody to see and interact with... that moment u open a chance for things to get out of control and snowball from there.

"free flowing rp (ie it goes where it goes)" - it did exactly that. It when wherever it went.. and it did not go well for you or your squad mates.

And, IMO, you guys tend to forget that we are all in a MMORPG... and RP lines of you or me and anyone else, will collide and clash. Its inevitably true. You can't think that just because you're a PvE squad people will let you go and do whatever RP you want to present. Actions have consequences.

Everytime I've thought of a new RP storyline for the StormRaiders I'lve always consulted with many people, GM's included, to see what to do and what not to do, and the probable consequences that it might bring. Making accusations, even if just your own RP, invokes reaction from factional pilots and factional governments... that's how it is.

An RP storyline which is backed by 'player-made evidence' without consulting the GM's is doomed to fail, as they will react as well, and everybody will see how truth to yourself u can be under their pressure, it kinda forces you to re-think everything and make sure that you can live with what happens afterwards.

Whatever RP storyline I get my squad into... I make sure they all understand the consequences and how bad it can and it will get... and the options they have to cope with it. So far, my boys all have said "Bring it on!!!!" but the moment I see silence or fear, I have to ask myself if its really the way to go.

Also, gotta remember how blunt many folks are in the way they interpret RP stories. Many folks play the role of a extreme factional guy, which will stop at nothing to protect their government, and you can't simply ask them to look away. They are the one with the guns and the know how to make you all pay for this minor mistake, bounties are nothing compared with it.... because they have all the rights as well to play like that, they are also paying remember.

Btw, I havent said what I thought about your RP yet. The facts that u had gathered were incredible, it made me think twice before going forward with some lines that I was going to do, that perhaps would put me in favor or against some of your 'evidence'. I guess it went wrong the moment the accusation was made towards the Quantar government.

ISU once blockaded Amananth, and all got themselves with -125 PR with Aman, and it looked like a party in there.. only that they had PvP experience. I dont think a flux busting squad is complete without a basic knowledge of PvP... is what you do after all, fight. Well, people come now with guns... so its time to either ask for forgiveness in an IC manner, or simply fight it out till the end or till they get tired of doing it.

The times my squad have been under fire, we have done so with a firm belief that we are right and true to ourselves, and believe it or not, even Noobs joined during those hard times. We went thru it, had some fun and not-so-fun moments (like when G.Rasputing shot my tug with equipment on board in unreg) but it always has its perks and makes the squad to grow stronger together.

So, cheer up. This happens. Just make a big effort not to repeat it in the future, consult before going live.

ELP

[Algore]

If one tries to introduce or say something that has not been sanctioned by GM's on US Server said person tends to get banned, irrespective of the validity of what they are saying, or trying to do/achieve.
There is no RP on the US server, there are just "events". To be involved in such events requires a lot of ball and ass licking.
I didn't have a -125 while in ISU btw, my PR just went down by 1 every hour Iirc the GM at the time was a total wanker.
Chin up Vorlon31.

Regards
Al

[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by Algore

If one tries to introduce or say something that has not been sanctioned by GM's on US Server said person tends to get banned, irrespective of the validity of what they are saying, or trying to do/achieve.

That's the first of that I've heard. It's also not what happened here, unless that's why vorlon doesn't have forum rights. What I saw was a GM taking a player started RP, and making it official by reacting to it IC.

[Algore]

The word "banned" was not the correct word to use. My apologies.

[spork]

TRIC pilots don't get forum rights. I'd say that's where your forums.jossh access went. It also tens to take at least a full day or more to get it back sometimes, in my several experiences with reviving TRIC pilots.

[vorlon31]

My forum rights were oly innactive because as Spork said, I had gone tri-C. I timed the initial announcement for that to happen but when I read of my pilots getting fired at by third parties whist civ regestered i had no choce but to return and do what I could to stop it.

I do have a twisted view of the flight registrations in comparison to most of the player base and I dont like civ payers being shot at in reg space. I also felt that a 0 pol could of been placed on the squad as a reaction from Quantar official rather than the threat of neg pols. There are too many who would (and did) see even the potential for this as an invite for easy kills.

I wish things hadnt gone the way that they did but even if it means making a tit of myself to protect my squadmates from what I see as piggy backed predation from opertunists I will do so every time.

However, saying that I also agree with most of what has been said here and on jossh about consequences of RP, but -pol hits for an entire squad when we were just talking of accusations of abduction seemed a little extreme.

Next time I plan something I will run it by gmk first. This time I thought he might have enjoyed not knowing what was going on as much as the playerbase, but I like i said, I forgot/failed to plan for the bounty stick scenario and that was my biggest mistake.

[Supermax]

It is a sad fact that even the most well thought out RP idea can too easily be corrupted by a few stat-whoring kiddies who couldn't tell RP from a cowpat even if it slapped them into the face. That's one reason why the EU team was in most cases extremely reluctant of using -pr with playable factions as an RP device - except in towards the end when we had nothing more to lose anyway.

Unfortunately (from a roleplayer's point of view) a large part of Jumpgate's current community aren't roleplayers. So one has always take into account the fact that even a lovely devised story will only earn you a big "WTF" from most.

[GrimGriz]

Just because someone shoots a bounty doesn't RP. My characters have always felt that it's their duty as loyal factionalists to punish criminals to their faction.

[Ambrosius]

You can't stop a RP just because you don't like the direction it went.

Please keep in mind: Jumpgate is a PvP game

[spork]

Originally Posted by Ambrosius

You can't stop a RP just because you don't like the direction it went.

Actually, I think that is exactly what happened.

[vorlon31]

Originally Posted by Ambrosius

Please keep in mind: Jumpgate is a PvP game

Well Ive done well to last these 4 years looking at it entirely different, pvp is a huge part yes, there is no denying it but it is no