[Nohbody]

As I understand Misku's RP, if he scans a non-Quant ship in quant space and detects ore, he'lll shoot you down (or try to do same, if there are obstacles in the way of that end result), regardless of where the ore is actually being delivered.

[Elmdor]

Radi only flies Pirate tags when HG tags aren't really available, or for pirating. Yes VV is mostly composed of seconds. They aren't on because...well why isnt all of Brotherhood on? Why isn't all of New Dawn on?

[ELPIRATA]

Sorry Elm... but they arent on VV because they are on their 1st accounts That's the problem of having many accounts.. you can only play one at a time.

[Elmdor]

You know what I mean

[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by ELPIRATA

IF his RP is an excuse to shoot down people who are still willing to mine and have the ore delivered to a quant station... then it is not acceptable.

What do you mean acceptable? If something isn't acceptable would you actively take a role to put a stop to it? To me that's content in Jumpgate. Stuff going on that people respond to, which again makes it really good that he's just one guy. To my knowledge he spends most of his time fluxing and whatnot, as not many non-quants are to be found mining in Quant space.

I have more problems with VV trying to be pirates and the good guys (slimpickns incident for example) than people harassing non-pvpers. Again, the major problem with people harassing pvpers is that no one seems to want to do anything about it, and they seem to like to do it in large numbers (which makes it harder to get anyone to do anything about it).

[Ambrosius]

I agree with GG. (slaps self) Good RP (IMHO) is all about background and consistency. You create a backdrop for the RP -- a plausible reason that your character is acting in a certain way. Then you stay "in-bounds" with your characters actions and motivations, and be consistent.

I'm not in love with Misku's RP -- not that it really matters since he's rarely on as far as I can tell. It started in a pretty large hole when he committed the unpardonable sin of trying to say that his action had been "officially sanctioned" . . . without getting the official sanction.

If he had just a little better backstory, then I'd actually believe the whole thing would be pretty decent, but probably boring since it is easy for anyone to "work around."

VV, on the other hand . . . nothing personal, but there's really no RP there at all. Seems to me that they wanted to create new targets for PvPers who were getting bored, but the whole sometime-pirate, sometime defender of FFs, sometime Sol Ally thing is just a mish-mash.

Elmdor -- to answer the where is BH question, it's pretty much disappeared. As Elp pointed out, without strong leadership presence, squads tend to fall apart. My RL has prevented me from spending as much time in-game as before, and except for Spork, my command staff has disappeared. Furthermore, BH for most of its life was a multifunctional squad with a hand full of PvPers. Then when EoR finally collapsed, Tesrend and several former EoR joined BH and the whole PvP thing snowballed. At the same time, I was without a regularly-playing command staff member to oversee the hauling/mining and training. So that side dwindled and when the PvPers all disappeared, we were left with the few survivors we have now. As far as I know, we don't have lots of people primarily playing 2nds . . . the only one I know of is Spooky1.

[ELPIRATA]

Ambro: I had no idea that BH was once a multifactional squad

Grim: What I say, in terms of RP, is that foreigners mining in quant space and deliverying ore to quantar should not be targets, because the resources STAY in quantar, which is what he talked about in his post. This is why I say is not acceptable and see it in an IC way of things. You saying his actions are acceptable is like saying Borg come back and shoot down any carebear u find in unreg just because they are there, is the same thing.

[ELPIRATA]

Wish I could help rebuilding other squads, mostly factionals, cause sadly at least Oct and Quant need more support on this matter. I've talked a lot with my pilots about dismantling the squad so that they can support their own factional squads, and I guess we would do it to help Jumpgate in the end.

I'll make an extra effort and identify how 'factional' some pilots are, and then sent them to the apropiate direction, where is needed. Solrain doesnt need more factional pilots at least, but both Octavia and Quantar do.

Problem with many of us... is once we've been squad leaders.. we usually dont want to go back. (long pause.. mind is dwingling... )

Yeah, that. I really wish people would fold into other squads, so that they grow and are kept active.

ELP

[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by ELPIRATA

Grim: What I say, in terms of RP, is that foreigners mining in quant space and deliverying ore to quantar should not be targets, because the resources STAY in quantar, which is what he talked about in his post. This is why I say is not acceptable and see it in an IC way of things. You saying his actions are acceptable is like saying Borg come back and shoot down any carebear u find in unreg just because they are there, is the same thing.

Well, IC, he's keeping Quant roids for Quants, and as a Quant that's fine and dandy with me. OOC he's just one guy, easy for non-quants to avoid and giving non-quant pvpers a reason to come to quant space.

[Ambrosius]

Originally Posted by ELPIRATA

Ambro: I had no idea that BH was once a multifactional squad

Mutifunctional. Never multifactional.

Grim: What I say, in terms of RP, is that foreigners mining in quant space and deliverying ore to quantar should not be targets, because the resources STAY in quantar . . .

But that's your logic, not Misku's. You see Misku had a troubled childhood -- in and out of various orphanages . . . all because some greedy Sol had illegally modified a mining laser, removing the safety that causes it to stop working once a roid reaches certain temperatures. With the safety removed, and with theadditional fact that he was mining in a dense Rad roid field, the Sol caused a chain-reaction explosion that claimed his life -- along with the lives of Misku's parents, innocent bystanders, who had been mining another area of the same roid field.

This is very quick-and-dirty . . . and very bad -- but I hope it conveys my point. The RP logic does not necessarily have to have anything to do with economic logic. And the reason why I believe Misku's RP was different from The Borg is that he kept it fairly narrow: non-Quants actively mining in Quant space. The Borg shot anyone and everyone in unreg . . . and beyond.

[Aubrey]

Heh same old Arguement. I was a a pirate and I do not think a bad one. People complained about shooting them. I was factionalist People complained. I was a non aligned guy People complained.

the folks that do not want to TAKE the time to learn how to PvP will always complain about PvP as it is forcing thier RP. Space is dangerous you pay your money and take your chances.

As a guy that has both fought against and with Misku I'll tell you he his a good guy and is trying to have fun without destroying everything in the game.

If you do not hwant him to pod you or P. O. D. you hire an escort.

[Tim]

Hm.. I'm really looking forward to the Reverse Burgler. I want to be able to put cargo INTO somebodies hold. That way, when somebody tells me to PVP and quit whining, I can reply by saying Haul, and quit whining. Course, it is never going to happen, I know, but it is a fun fantasy.

[QrazyKermi]

Or how about Roid Shields, where your shields are made from asteroids. The only way a PvPer can shoot you down is to first mine your shields.