Why Misku's RP is better than VVs

Ambrosius

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Originally Posted by Aubrey

Heh same old Arguement. I was a a pirate and I do not think a bad one. People complained about shooting them. I was factionalist People complained. I was a non aligned guy People complained.

Heya Captain Jack! Good to hear from you.

ELPIRATA

Well... Im not arguing against PvP Aub... (Im not sure if I was the one that was directed to).. I actually pay or fight, most of the times I've paid without problems, and even though I'll never fight back if Im not in a fighter craft... I may decide to hunt them later.

ELP

Elmdor

I know Ambro it was a theoretical question. And I had to help my buddy Mja. Couldn't just let spork kick his ass, and have you be right behind him

spork

Elm, the fact that Sol factionalists are your buddies is precisely the problem with the VV roleplay consistency, or lack thereof. First you're Sol Privateers, then Pirates, then defenders of the economy (facts of the issue be damned), then Sol factionalists, and now random pvpers (since you now target Sols at times). Plus, you had no idea that Ambro was only 1 sector away at the time of your 2v1 attack on me. You joined a 2v1 with a Sol against a lone Quant, and tried to excuse it by claiming "I'm a pirate." Piracy is stealing cargo or money (liberally interpreted). Then you tried say you expected me to attack since you'd been pirating Quants hours before (unbeknownst to me). Even your excuses had no consistency.

VV: Pick an RP. Play it. That is all.

As far as the "now we've got a reason to shoot Misku" argument...if he just started attacking willing PvPers, we'd have plenty reason w/o involving non-pvpers. There's no justification for downing civ miners 99% of the time.

"Hire an escort." Yeah...that was unlikely back when there were 200 online. Now that there are 20 online...yeah. Just keep on backseat driving, all you TRIC wankers.

Radi

Yes, our RP is not consistent. Neither is soli's.

Yes, spork. Elm knew Ambro was comming. 2 HG BH and one was spotted in sol space. hmm I wonder where other one can be?

One question. Why do you come to sol space?? To pvp right?

Well we like to pvp too. We are providing you targets. Is that bad?
We havent came to quant space recently at all. Everyone is comming to sol space. I find it funny.

We are trying to RP a pirate as competent as we can. We PoD and pirate ppl.
We wear pirate tags while doing it. But with current online numbers it sucks. It is hard to find a target. So we PvP while pirating gets boring.

GrimGriz

Well, if we use logic for a second...
You apparently like to pvp
you are quantar
the largest active squad is sol-only dragon eye
Quantar is short on pvp pilots
DE will defend Sol space from Quantar aggressors..

Ofcourse, the DE guys would have to log into their DE accounts rather than their VV accounts....

Radi

Yes, lets use logic.

recently it is Soli/MM/outsiders/BH vs VV/DE

Who is even on from VV?? me (I dont have a second acount), Elm, Horus ( he logs in late EST) and dagon during the day.

Hmmm, yes, alot of pilots in VV are active.

spork

Yeah Grim, Sols obviously need help. They are so short staffed in Solrain that half their pvp squads (Soli) had to switch sides to help balance the numbers.

Radi, 2 people online does not mean 2 people flying tandom. Dozens of times, I log in HG at Wake while Ambro is HG and beacing Quant space. The point is that we were peaceful with VV (even after the Slim debacle), and Elmdor attacked us out of the blue (and for the blue team) in a 2v1 to assist his "buddy" the Sol against being ganked (not sure how a 1v1 is a gank...or even a 2v1 really...lots of good pilots can survive a 2v1, some can even win). Bottom line is VV wants to use "I'm a pirate" to justify any action they choose to take.

And now it looks like VV is back to pro-Solrain privateers (sure hope you really got an RPC from T&P otherwise it's really bad form to impersonate RPCs).

Maybe it's a recurring cycle... pretty soon Slim should start watching his back again, especially if he mines solid for 2 days and decides to build FFs and distribute them to public faction stations. Never know when VV's econ police will need to "protect" the econ again.

VV: Pick an RP. Play it. That is all.

Tim

Well, i'm an idiot when it comes to RP. It's an old problem I have. I'll try not to let my simple ignorance pervade too much of what i say here.

Now, i've flown with Radi a time or two, and i've interacted with him briefly over TS. he's a good guy, even if he does have a strange accent. Also, and more to the point, i've been told he doesn't fly a second account. Like myself, he is him. He flies what he flies and takes responsibility for his actions. So i'm not talking about him.

What I am talking about is an account- not a person, just the account- that is created for the ultimate purpose of avoiding the responsibility that results from any ingame actions. That was a really complicated way of saying that it seems to be pretty clear that VV is composed of pilot accounts created so that the person flying them can do what they want without it affecting their "real" account. But before we get to far into what seems to be an anti-VV post, which this isn't, lets admit to ourselves that VV doesn't have anything near a monopoly on these types of accounts.

A number of pilots have proudly proclaimed, over the past few weeks i've been flying, that they have a second "money making" account to fund whatever they do with their "real" account. See, to guys like Radi (i suspect) and myself, this is silly. If you can't afford to do what you are doing, then you have failed somewhere. If you have gotten such a large bounty, or such poor fluxing skills, or such a low IR that you simply can't afford to launch anymore, you have been defeated by your own poor strategy.

But i'm in the minority with that opinion. And that's peachy with me. What you do in the game doesn't matter to me, i'll deal with it. Thanks for playing, and paying, to keep a fun game on the air. Woot to you and your I-Need-A-Second-Account-Because-I'm-Afraid-To-Or-Can't-Do-It-With-My-Normal-Account friends.

Obviously, pilots who engage in a great deal of RP (hi spork and ambro) may use seconds for a completly different reason than the ones mentioned above. But i'm sure they can tell you, if you can't figure it out on your own, that their minority is even smaller than mine.

So, what's my point? My point is this: VV will continue to change their RP on a daily basis. That's why they created those accounts in the first place. So they don't have to worry about responsibility and consistancy. Their real accounts will be responsible and consistant. Perhaps everybody will get less hostile with this issue if, from now on, we procede all mention of VV with the phrase "Those Crazy".

Those Crazy VV pilots are pie rats today. But they are crazy. Tommorow, Those Crazy VV pilots will be sol privateers. Monday, Those Crazy VV pilots will be fluxers (no, they can easily do that with their primaries, but they are Crazy, so they might). Hey, they are Crazy, what do you expect?

Misku might down me, VV might down me, that petal up ahead might down me. If I want RP, i know who to go do. If i want a random fight, i also know where to head.

Ambrosius

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Obviously, pilots who engage in a great deal of RP (hi spork and ambro) may use seconds for a completly different reason than the ones mentioned above. But i'm sure they can tell you, if you can't figure it out on your own, that their minority is even smaller than mine.

Tim, interesting perspective. Just a few things to make sure the record is clear

- we like Radi and know he's a great guy
- While I won't lie and say I've "never" flown another account, I have not done so in a LONG time. Ambro is just Ambro these days, though chances are I'll reactivate an old mule account for WoW again.
- Being consistent with your RP/character is not a life-long committment. I applaud VV's effort to mix-up the PvP situation a bit as it was getting very stale. Being pirates is good. Being Sol Mercenaries is fine. Being protectors of FF production is applaudable. Being all of the above is just a confusing mess that ends up getting people pissed because they don't know what to expect.

Elmdor

I will admit that the RP situation changing is a tad annoying, but for everyone involved. Quite honestly, the only reason we even switched that RP was at the time of teaming up Solicidal had recently back stabbed DE. We were both at war with them to begin with and neither of us could field reasonable numbers to fight them. When the only pilots on that were truly capable of combat were maybe 2-3 from each side versus Solicidal/Minutemen's 6 the only logical thing to do was team up.Then Outsiders came. Then OAS came. Then Brotherhood came. Then Harpoon came. Now everyone is against us, because Solicidal got bored and wanted to shoot easy targets like most of the DE that were flying at that time.

Ambrosius

FWIW, I generally try to pull out of situations where the odds get absurdly lop-sided for an extended period of time and I know Spork generally feels the same way. If you feel that the 1-3 BH pilots who are online (that's an optimistic number these days) involved in an enemy "fleet" are contributing to an UGFoD un-fun experience, let me know.

TRI Pilots On Duty
On Duty:	38
In Flight:	26
Solrain:	8
Octavius:	15
Quantar:	15
TRI:	0

Category	Pilot	Score
Kills	Algore	2,836
Kill Ratio*	_KROM_	470.000 %
Bounty Collected	Killntime	407,838,097
Munitions Accuracy*	Psycho	85.893 %
Projectile Accuracy*	_Zora_	98.148 %
Total Conflux Kills	vorlon31	149,553
Experience	-JPR-	1,002,662,560
Mission Success Ratio*	Arkady	100 %
Insurance Rating*	Farve	10 %
Net Worth	McPlowed	c21,994,151,286
Duty Hours	RedDwarf	18,718.8
*minimum requirements to qualify


	ELPIRATA Moderator Pilot Name: ELPIRATA Faction: non-aligned Joystick: Saitek X45 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Carolina, PR Posts: 1,498 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0	Well... Im not arguing against PvP Aub... (Im not sure if I was the one that was directed to).. I actually pay or fight, most of the times I've paid without problems, and even though I'll never fight back if Im not in a fighter craft... I may decide to hunt them later. ELP


	Elmdor Member Pilot Name: Elmdor Faction: Quantar Joystick: Microsoft FF2 Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 279 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0	I know Ambro it was a theoretical question. And I had to help my buddy Mja. Couldn't just let spork kick his ass, and have you be right behind him


	spork Member Pilot Name: spork Joystick: FF2 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: sporks foons Posts: 241 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0	Elm, the fact that Sol factionalists are your buddies is precisely the problem with the VV roleplay consistency, or lack thereof. First you're Sol Privateers, then Pirates, then defenders of the economy (facts of the issue be damned), then Sol factionalists, and now random pvpers (since you now target Sols at times). Plus, you had no idea that Ambro was only 1 sector away at the time of your 2v1 attack on me. You joined a 2v1 with a Sol against a lone Quant, and tried to excuse it by claiming "I'm a pirate." Piracy is stealing cargo or money (liberally interpreted). Then you tried say you expected me to attack since you'd been pirating Quants hours before (unbeknownst to me). Even your excuses had no consistency. VV: Pick an RP. Play it. That is all. As far as the "now we've got a reason to shoot Misku" argument...if he just started attacking willing PvPers, we'd have plenty reason w/o involving non-pvpers. There's no justification for downing civ miners 99% of the time. "Hire an escort." Yeah...that was unlikely back when there were 200 online. Now that there are 20 online...yeah. Just keep on backseat driving, all you TRIC wankers.


	Radi Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 638 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0	Yes, our RP is not consistent. Neither is soli's. Yes, spork. Elm knew Ambro was comming. 2 HG BH and one was spotted in sol space. hmm I wonder where other one can be? One question. Why do you come to sol space?? To pvp right? Well we like to pvp too. We are providing you targets. Is that bad? We havent came to quant space recently at all. Everyone is comming to sol space. I find it funny. We are trying to RP a pirate as competent as we can. We PoD and pirate ppl. We wear pirate tags while doing it. But with current online numbers it sucks. It is hard to find a target. So we PvP while pirating gets boring.


	GrimGriz Highest Order Hypocrite Faction: non-aligned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Portland Posts: 2,712 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0	Well, if we use logic for a second... You apparently like to pvp you are quantar the largest active squad is sol-only dragon eye Quantar is short on pvp pilots DE will defend Sol space from Quantar aggressors.. Ofcourse, the DE guys would have to log into their DE accounts rather than their VV accounts....


	spork Member Pilot Name: spork Joystick: FF2 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: sporks foons Posts: 241 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0	Yeah Grim, Sols obviously need help. They are so short staffed in Solrain that half their pvp squads (Soli) had to switch sides to help balance the numbers. Radi, 2 people online does not mean 2 people flying tandom. Dozens of times, I log in HG at Wake while Ambro is HG and beacing Quant space. The point is that we were peaceful with VV (even after the Slim debacle), and Elmdor attacked us out of the blue (and for the blue team) in a 2v1 to assist his "buddy" the Sol against being ganked (not sure how a 1v1 is a gank...or even a 2v1 really...lots of good pilots can survive a 2v1, some can even win). Bottom line is VV wants to use "I'm a pirate" to justify any action they choose to take. And now it looks like VV is back to pro-Solrain privateers (sure hope you really got an RPC from T&P otherwise it's really bad form to impersonate RPCs). Maybe it's a recurring cycle... pretty soon Slim should start watching his back again, especially if he mines solid for 2 days and decides to build FFs and distribute them to public faction stations. Never know when VV's econ police will need to "protect" the econ again. VV: Pick an RP. Play it. That is all.
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	Tim Head Goober Joystick: Some 3-axis thing. It's black. Join Date: May 2004 Location: recovering from Naked Volleyball Posts: 819 Nominated 3 Times in 1 Post TOTW/F/M Award(s): 1	Well, i'm an idiot when it comes to RP. It's an old problem I have. I'll try not to let my simple ignorance pervade too much of what i say here. Now, i've flown with Radi a time or two, and i've interacted with him briefly over TS. he's a good guy, even if he does have a strange accent. Also, and more to the point, i've been told he doesn't fly a second account. Like myself, he is him. He flies what he flies and takes responsibility for his actions. So i'm not talking about him. What I am talking about is an account- not a person, just the account- that is created for the ultimate purpose of avoiding the responsibility that results from any ingame actions. That was a really complicated way of saying that it seems to be pretty clear that VV is composed of pilot accounts created so that the person flying them can do what they want without it affecting their "real" account. But before we get to far into what seems to be an anti-VV post, which this isn't, lets admit to ourselves that VV doesn't have anything near a monopoly on these types of accounts. A number of pilots have proudly proclaimed, over the past few weeks i've been flying, that they have a second "money making" account to fund whatever they do with their "real" account. See, to guys like Radi (i suspect) and myself, this is silly. If you can't afford to do what you are doing, then you have failed somewhere. If you have gotten such a large bounty, or such poor fluxing skills, or such a low IR that you simply can't afford to launch anymore, you have been defeated by your own poor strategy. But i'm in the minority with that opinion. And that's peachy with me. What you do in the game doesn't matter to me, i'll deal with it. Thanks for playing, and paying, to keep a fun game on the air. Woot to you and your I-Need-A-Second-Account-Because-I'm-Afraid-To-Or-Can't-Do-It-With-My-Normal-Account friends. Obviously, pilots who engage in a great deal of RP (hi spork and ambro) may use seconds for a completly different reason than the ones mentioned above. But i'm sure they can tell you, if you can't figure it out on your own, that their minority is even smaller than mine. So, what's my point? My point is this: VV will continue to change their RP on a daily basis. That's why they created those accounts in the first place. So they don't have to worry about responsibility and consistancy. Their real accounts will be responsible and consistant. Perhaps everybody will get less hostile with this issue if, from now on, we procede all mention of VV with the phrase "Those Crazy". Those Crazy VV pilots are pie rats today. But they are crazy. Tommorow, Those Crazy VV pilots will be sol privateers. Monday, Those Crazy VV pilots will be fluxers (no, they can easily do that with their primaries, but they are Crazy, so they might). Hey, they are Crazy, what do you expect? Misku might down me, VV might down me, that petal up ahead might down me. If I want RP, i know who to go do. If i want a random fight, i also know where to head.


	Ambrosius Member Pilot Name: Ambrosius Faction: Quantar Joystick: MS FF2 Join Date: May 2004 Location: The Stone Temple Posts: 1,864 Nominated 4 Times in 3 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 3	FWIW, I generally try to pull out of situations where the odds get absurdly lop-sided for an extended period of time and I know Spork generally feels the same way. If you feel that the 1-3 BH pilots who are online (that's an optimistic number these days) involved in an enemy "fleet" are contributing to an UGFoD un-fun experience, let me know.