[Ambrosius]

I blame NetDevil for attracting lousy customers for its excellent game!

[Jump]

Originally Posted by Ambrosius

I blame NetDevil for attracting lousy customers for its excellent game!

Don't be so hard on yourself. Your only somewhat of a lousy customer.

[vorlon31]

The thing is to advertise jumpgate and not mention the pvp element (as that side of the game currently sucks imo (oh god may the military patch change that when it arrives)).

Someone genuinely new to the game would most definitely leave long before their 10 day trial period expired if they joined just to experiment with the pvp elements of the game.

Why? (1)- new players dont come with gank modx's fitted as standard and would be driven away by frustration within hours.

Why? (2) because there is not enough equipment about to sustain a player operating out of their core stations (where a newish player would probably pvp from before they got a pos) - yes you could blame strippers but personaly I think its down to large squads and the abundance of squad only pos's in the galaxy.

One of the first things that struck me when we became the wws was;

Why are all the pos's access denied??

Where are the public equipment dealers??

The answer to both is that they were probably long since driven out of playing through the activities not of their making or interest...

Now as I am in a large squad with squad only access stations dotted all over, I can accept that I too have added to this problem and unfortunately I can also appreciate that it is 1 that is not going to go away - but in FC's defence, we do have our producers who make equip for all.

Im sure I will get flamed instantly for this post but I dont think that I will loose sleep over it. Most pvp'rs hold their ingame adversaries in the utmost contemp anyway so why limit that crap to just in game, lets widen it to the forums too.

For a long time, pvp in jumpgate has been about having the biggest gank fleet and private equipment stores to sort you out when you die. Without both of them behind you, you dont stand a chance to participate in any other way other than being target practice for someone else - and that aint going to lend itself for longevity of gameplay for new blood.

Jumpgate needs to have its other features advertised and the pvp element left out to be "discovered" by new pilots who by then will have built up the contacts needed to join a gank and continue the cycle of gankness and secret pos stocks.

Jumpgate also needs to have equipment supplies trickling into core stations on the 6 min update cycles to provide equipment 24/7 at a base level for the fighters that can be bought at that station. eg, have typical tempest equipment spawned at tripoint station so that there are always 2 duelist there, 2 sets of each size 2 weapon, 2 defiers... etc etc

We are far beyond the point of trying to make it a realistic sim game where pvp is concerned so why try and pretend otherwise, make the stock for any ship type always available at the ships producung station and have done with it.

[Alibaba]

I wish I had 2 computers so I could fight myself.

[Wild_Bill]

Jump, my apologies for any insult I may have given. I simply get tired of folks who feel free to run down something I like, after they've given up on it. It's like they want to talk others into quitting so they can feel better about their own actions or something. I find the negativity to be depressing. That's why I quit going to that other website (JGW).

Of course it's your house and you are free to invite in whoever you like. I will try to be more civil to your other guests in the future.

[Alibaba]

Xerout can't help himself Bill, he loves the game so much he's been posting about it angrily for the past 3 years. Much of his angst comes from the dissapointment he had when his squad members left the game because of she who must not be named.

Wild and Xerout are both very nice gentlemen, though Chubain says no one can really be nicer than Wild.

I guess there really is a fine line between love and hate. With so much passion for a game pilots have not played in a year, there is still hope I think.

[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by vorlon31

Most pvp'rs hold their ingame adversaries in the utmost contemp anyway so why limit that crap to just in game, lets widen it to the forums too.

I like OV just fine, I just wish there wasn't always so many of them (or more appropriately, that there were more solidarity).

[Algore]

You could ask us to leave some of our guys at home to make things more fun.........

[Jump]

Originally Posted by Wild_Bill

Jump, my apologies for any insult I may have given. I simply get tired of folks who feel free to run down something I like, after they've given up on it. It's like they want to talk others into quitting so they can feel better about their own actions or something. I find the negativity to be depressing. That's why I quit going to that other website (JGW).

Of course it's your house and you are free to invite in whoever you like. I will try to be more civil to your other guests in the future.

Perhaps it is you with the negative perspective. Maybe they are not trying to talk others into quitting, maybe they just hope that others will be able to talk them into returning. Maybe they hope to hear that their reasons for leaving are no longer valid. I have seen many of them post "I am returning" threads here. Or did you miss all those?

Or maybe they just get angry because I stoped serving PIE!

[Radi]

I think it is the last one Jump. Ppl need Pie.

[xerout]

Originally Posted by Alibaba

Xerout can't help himself Bill, he loves the game so much he's been posting about it angrily for the past 3 years. Much of his angst comes from the dissapointment he had when his squad members left the game because of she who must not be named.

Wild and Xerout are both very nice gentlemen, though Chubain says no one can really be nicer than Wild.

I guess there really is a fine line between love and hate. With so much passion for a game pilots have not played in a year, there is still hope I think.

Wow....pretty accurate Alibaba.

I do understand the negative reaction to "goodbye" or "this is why I left" posts. I used to have the same "just leave" reaction to goodbye posts on the Jumpgate forums when I played so no offense taken.

Xerout

[Wild_Bill]

xeroute, thank you for being so gracious. I truely meant no insult nor disrespect. As Jump implies, I allowed my frustration to twist my own viewpoint in a negative direction. Alibaba, I thank you for the kind words.

[ELPIRATA]

OK Ok, can't we just all log in for flight duty?

ELP