[Algore]

Jossh forums are a farce due to no separation of roleplaying, and out of character comments.
I see no point in trying to RP on US(jossh forums) due to the mentality of the playerbase.
The idiotic tags/colours before comments to indicate one's intentions are silly at best. If you want to RP it is retarded that you should need to create such tags before a comment. Possibly a separate forum with proper moderation for out of character comments would be better.
Discuss.

[Reece]

Ooc: Omg Shuttup The Colors Are Pretty!!

[ZeroZ95]

Colors are a cool way to show you intend your comments to be taken ICly. There are often legitimate reasons to post both ICly and OOCly in the same place because we are not space pilots, but just people enjoying a game. A perfect example is how many of us tried to OOCly help Me_1 from becoming perm-KOS to the entire server by trying to talk him out of his protest. If the Plot forum was IC only, the best we could do is say: Me_1, you're KOS for harming Solrain until you relent. ...which wouldn't enable me to persuade him that his stripping is damaging to the overall game and is just not done. Even in this example, his purpose of harming PvPers for the sake of helping Econ haulers can hardly be called roleplaying anyway.

The exact same reasoning goes for IC/OOC mixed actions we take in game. Generally, any time I'm in space I am IC. But when I f4 the enemy and say that we're all going to log, it is an OOC courtesy so they don't waste RL time flying around looking for us until JOSSH updates (and they think to check JOSSH).

Besides, there is already a forum for IC only just below the forum for IC/OOC mix.

I will agree that RPing in Jumpgate is difficult because it is just an empty shell and many players are sim-jockeys who "roleplay themselves" and really don't care about fictional character development (not that there's anything wrong with that).

[Istanbul]

how is it wrong to roleplay 'yourself' anyways? I do have a character/backstory/fictional work that i should really get some work done on, but, within that framework, it is my personality filling that character. I wish I could be a spaceship pilot in RL, so what better RP than to be me actually flying a spaceship in Jumpgate?

[Lordopic]

Much rather see a seperate forum just for IC/RP post's.


Too many threads go in and out of IC/RP it all gets a bit lost.

[medic639]

On a side note: The problem with RP is that for the most part, people only RP when it suits them. I don't think it has to do with US/EU mentality. Although, I have noticed (I could be wrong) that ex-EU players tend to RP a little heavier. For some, RP is an excuse to whine when their RP works against them.

I would love to RP more, I have tried doing my own little RP stuff. Example: Somthing stupid like taking 20 nukes to an Oct or Sol naval yard when there are 5 MT's on, or shooting off nukes at Sisterhoods POS's...sure, it's not going to be destroyed, but it's a great stress reliever, and fun to try and keep away from enemies. Basically, it's like pissing yourself while wearing black pants... you get a nice warm feeling, but no one else gives a rats arse.

Unfortunately, when you try and RP anything military as a group... someone is bound to whine whine whine and call it lame. There is almost nothing you can do RP-wise as a military squad except fly around and do missions, tune beacs, and fight other MT's that will not get you labeled as a 'lamer'

As for the forums, I agree... there is zero seperation of RP/OOC. I don't think there is enough respect and support of others RP style for it to be feasible to play a heavy RP. Everyone wants everyone else to play the game exactly like they do, and it doesn't work that way.

[vorlon31]

I like the idea of strictly IC forums where anything begining with "OOC" and gen flames get deleted without question. The Plot and Events Discussion
forum is for events and plot discussions - in other words - talking about stuff. The RP section is where the real forum lead rp's should occur, TRINN posts need to be placed there and then moderated to keep things following the Jumpgate and player stories without distraction. But until the TRINN start getting posted in there, our words are wasted pixels.

[Lordopic]

Originally Posted by vorlon31

But until the TRINN start getting posted

Full stop.

[Rui]

Have to agree with Al. The lack of seperation for IC and OOC events is a bit silly. A new forums should be made for IC only where all TRINN updates should be posted and squad leaders can make war declarations and just do some general RP. ATM the boards are a bit of a mess to say the least!

[ZeroZ95]

Guys, there is an IC-only forum (we don't know how well it is moderated because there is nothing there to moderate). Use it and maybe others will too. Affect change through leadership, not through complaint. Make copies of TRINN there in the IC-only forum and post a re-direct in the official TRINN thread until GM_K sees that your way is better.


I've been a part of a great many combat oriented PvP events/series both official and unofficial (other than CaptCow, all Quants chose not to participate in the last one, IIRC). And after 6 years of Jumpgate, I believe that only thing that gets you permanently labeled as a lamer is flying like a lamer.

[Algore]

As no1 uses the forum in question I feel that a more proactive moderation on the current forum would be a start.
As has been mentioned, the second someone posts not in line with the thread type then deletion moderation is required.
My main prob is with the need to point out you are being in character. It's almost like apologising/making excuses for silly people that don't get it before you post. I think it's pretty obvious to most when someone is making an ingame comment. If someone does not respond in the right way, ingame(IC) then remove the post. It requires thought from both parties.
It's an ideal world thought, but if posts were deleted in a thread that is so blatently ingame(IC) then people would stop as it would be pointless.
I'm not saying there is no RP, I'm saying that the mentality is such that those that do, almost approach things in a way to allow for those that do not.
Two solutions for the way things are going. Use the other forum, or mock people that cannot be IC in an IC thread.

Regards
Al

[Istanbul]

mocking OOC people could be humorous

[ZeroZ95]

Upon re-read of my last post, I think I should apologize for being unclear.

I am not bashing complaint/suggestion as a vehicle for change in every situation, just this one. In fact, complaint/suggestion is our only recourse for most areas of change in Jumpgate and it was the exact method used to get TRINN syndicated on forums.jossh (with links on the original TRINN article) in the first place. It certainly wasn't Moll's idea, and she resisted doing it for a long time before finally conceding the point. I just think asking for an IC-only forum is silly when there is one, and complaint about moderation is meaningless since we've never given that forum a try (and since OOC is welcome in the Plot forum).

If we were a community of thousands, then change would be difficult in every area. But if the IC-only people really wanted change, you only have to convince a couple dozen folks to start using the other forum. In this area, change via leadership could happen.