[Supermax]

In the same way that the spawning of raw commodities on stations can be explained by regular deliveries from the planets, the commodity/equipment dumps can be explained as emergency deliveries either from the planets or from some emergency storage owned by TRI or the factions.

Just because it doesn't fit the way we are accustomed to doesn't mean it isn't IC. I also think that the new faction missions are actually quite cool, thumbs up for Istvan and Khronos from me there!

[Custardx]

Grim, don't patronise me about the differences in RL and Ingame, IIRC it was you would hated RL and used the game to be something your not and to treat this like some alternate reality. I know game code takes time, but that still doesn't mean there should be OOC things happening like this, imo.
SuperMax, did they or did they not give a reason for the equipment dump in an IC manner? Correct me if i'm wrong but they didn't, in which case this act was completly OOC. Its another of these 'on EU' statements but on EU we atleast got a news article and hell, sometimes they turned these things into an event.

Again its my personal opnion (which seems to clash some what with GG's) that it was silly, uncalled for and even in times of hardship ingame we have to slog it out until TRI reorganises how things are done.
As GG is keen on mentioning RL, in RL someone doesnt type /spawn 1000tonnes grain in Ethopia or any of the other 3rd world countries that have to slog it out, why should it be different ingame...?

Custardx

[Evolution]

Originally Posted by Custardx

As GG is keen on mentioning RL, in RL someone doesnt type /spawn 1000tonnes grain in Ethopia or any of the other 3rd world countries that have to slog it out, why should it be different ingame...?

Because NetDevil is trying to run a business. If players don't have fun playing then they quit and stop giving NetDevil money. Look how far online numbers have come down in the last few weeks. In their eyes, dumping some equipment to keep people playing while they work out econ fixes is the lesser of two evils. Since you already said you're not subscribing they probably don't care much whether you disagree with the equip dumping or not. Not many of us do either.

[Supermax]

Originally Posted by Custardx

SuperMax, did they or did they not give a reason for the equipment dump in an IC manner? Correct me if i'm wrong but they didn't, in which case this act was completly OOC. Its another of these 'on EU' statements but on EU we atleast got a news article and hell, sometimes they turned these things into an event.

ND/Themis simply doesn't have the manpower that the EU server had at its disposal. There are perhaps a handful of GMs (including Istvan) as compared to 20+ more or less active volunteer GMs and Operators on EU. Furthermore, EU never had to deal with such a massive change in the player base over such a short period of time. I agree that a corresponding news item wouldn't have hurt, but apart from that, the way the GMs handled the situation was quite ok.

[Custardx]

Since you already said you're not subscribing they probably don't care much whether you disagree with the equip dumping or not. Not many of us do either.

You know, this in my eyes shows exactly what is wrong with this server now we've all been thrown in together. You are unwilling to listen to my point because i'm not subscribing to the game, the fact i've played if for 4 years now, maybe 5, not 100% sure, seems to mean very little to you.
You are mostly unwilling to listen to the opinions on the what were EU'ers and now WWS players. Again the fact that everyone from there may have played for a long time and wait a second, MIGHT, just MIGHT, know what they are talking about.
Its this 'Them and Us' attitude thats causing problems, i'm sure we could use the current econ better if we could get along.
But hey, my opinions don't matter right? Like those of the ex-Eu'ers right? To be honest, the econ isn't the sole reason i'm leaving, its people like yourself who embody what is wrong with this game in my eyes, congrats to you and best of luck!

@ SuperMax
True they don't have the man power, but it doesn't take to much time or imagination to make a brief news article explaining why it was done tho does it...But whats done is done, and I can't deny its helped, the context which it was done in is just a bit silly, imo...

Custardx

[Valmagier]

Originally Posted by MajorJello

Let the hoarders get pissed off and leave. Then we might get a chance to buy the equipment we want. There are a lot of ways to make money besides crapping on the player base making equipment scarce. By making money other ways, it actually helps the econ for everyone.

This is one example of what you think what the EUs are. You don't write that all from the EUs are hoarders or strippers, but you mean that, all of you US-Player mean that. It is like Custard has written, it's "Them and US" you are thinking, you are not listening at all what the EU-People suggest, and just want it to keep it like it was before the merge... And at the end the wishes of the "minority" will be heared, because they were longer on the "new" WWS. In my opinion it is still the US-Server, and we are not welcomed, because we don't fit in your way of playing the game. But let me tell you this, there were enough EU-Player, which produced there stuff as you did on the WWS and were killed because someone wanted to mark them as strippers (as example Ruberduck), and others, myself as example, which payed them to get their pos stocked with equip they wanted. But you don't see that, you don't want to see that, and at the end you get us pissed of except for a few peeps, and then you have the same "old" ons of max 50-60 peeps a day. Congratulations!

BTW: I subscribed for the next month, I'll give the server a second chance, but if it will be only "Our way, or highway" then I'll probably take the highway.

just my2c

Val

[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by Custardx

You know, this in my eyes shows exactly what is wrong with this server now we've all been thrown in together. You are unwilling to listen to my point because i'm not subscribing to the game, the fact i've played if for 4 years now, maybe 5, not 100% sure, seems to mean very little to you.

That's correct. Pay your $9.95 and your opinion will matter again. The only 'US and THEM' there really is = "people supporting Jumpgate, and people who used to play Jumpgate".

This is one example of what you think what the EUs are. You don't write that all from the EUs are hoarders or strippers, but you mean that, all of you US-Player mean that.

As long as you keep calling yourselfs EUs you're seperating yourself too. There are US hoarders and strippers too, and I will shoot them down if I get the chance just as fast. I don't care where hoarders come from, I just care that they are hoarders.

[Valmagier]

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

There are US hoarders and strippers too, and I will shoot them down if I get the chance just as fast. I don't care where hoarders come from, I just care that they are hoarders.

Why couldn't I believe that?

[Evolution]

Originally Posted by Custardx

Its this 'Them and Us' attitude thats causing problems, i'm sure we could use the current econ better if we could get along.
But hey, my opinions don't matter right? Like those of the ex-Eu'ers right? To be honest, the econ isn't the sole reason i'm leaving, its people like yourself who embody what is wrong with this game in my eyes, congrats to you and best of luck!

I've got nothing against 99% of the ex-EU players and any of them who know me would tell you the same. My hesitation to give much consideration to your opinions has a great deal to do with the fact that you've been nothing but a snotty prick on these forums since you joined the site and very little to do with the fact that you're not subscribing. You sit there and wave your arms and scream about how nobody is listening to you when the real truth is that we all can read the garbage you type just fine but tend not to agree. It's not a matter of not understanding your point of view so stop acting like you're above everyone and we're all just too stupid to comprehend your opinions.

The only reason I mentioned your decision to not subscribe to begin with is the fact that your earlier argument seemed more hinged on the fact that we weren't fed some BS RP storyline to EXPLAIN where these temporary relief items came from than the fact that things were dumped. You're just talking semantics at that point. Since you're not even planning to play why should anyone care at all whether you liked such a trivial part of the affair? The important thing is that the people who are actually playing have fun while econ changes are being hammered out, not whether someone who said weeks ago he wasn't going to play anymore is particularly fond of the manner in which that happens.

I'm sorry you guys lost your server but I'm glad we're all playing together again. This perception that we ex-US players have some sort of separatist thing going on isn't really terribly accurate. I'm not sure how it was over on the old MG forums but I think here you'll quickly find (if you bother to play anymore) that those who are vocal on the forums very rarely speak for the majority of the players. Sometimes it seems like the only people who bother to post are those who want to complain. As a result, things like the current econ situation are made worse because people with actual ideas and input don't bother to speak up. Most of us have nothing against ex-EU players in general. Most of us wouldn't have anything against you either if you were capable of expressing your opinions without being abrasive. The task of coming to some sort of balance and compromise with this new combined population isn't going to be made any easier by being stupid on the forums.

[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by Evolution

I think here you'll quickly find (if you bother to play anymore) that those who are vocal on the forums very rarely speak for the majority of the players. Sometimes it seems like the only people who bother to post are those who want to complain. As a result, things like the current econ situation are made worse because people with actual ideas and input don't bother to speak up.

Bite me. I am a cornucopia of actual ideas.

[Tim]

hahahahahahahahah!

you slay me, GG. how many signature lines can a guy have around here, anyway?

[Custardx]

Thats a fair enough opinion Evolution, I do seem to cause stigma on these forums, and can act like a prick I think you put it. But as you said, the people that post on these forums generally have something to say, that may be only to complain, but ask yourself this, if the only ones that post are the ones that complain, is there really anything good worth posting about?

The reason I have a go at people is not because they don't agree with my opinions its when people quote part of my threads whilst conviniently skipping bits to take it out of context or simply not listen to a point and continue to spout the same garbage.

Val has a point there, when there is a discussion on chat hoarders and strippers is another word for ex-EU people. But thats not the point of this thread...

As for my opinions. I never say "I hate this do what i say" i often use 'imo' in my threads which stand for; In My Opinion. No, i don't expect ND to pay much attention to what I have to say even if this was the official forum because as you said yourself, i'm not planning on paying them. That doesn't mean that there is no potential for my arguments to be correct or atleast agreed with by someone who does play who's opinion matters more. Because I don't want to pay the $9.95 a month to play a game thats isnt worth playing right now (in my opinion) doesn't automatically make me wrong...(or right either)

Custardx