[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by Shual

I understand that a 10% markup doubles the cost of reequipping, but it can't be avoided.

It was avoided until the merge. It's the attitude of me & my squad, screw everyone else vs. me & my faction screw everyone else. As a pilot without a squad, I guess that means I have no place in the new jumpgate. After 3 years I am understandably upset about it.

It seems that the 'new playerbase' doesn't want equipment on TRI stations. I simply don't want to play that way, I don't think it's fun. I'm waiting until after EU goes pay to see if we can find a way to make enough equipment to have it on TRI stations, if not, I'll move on. Until then, I'll complain.

[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by Shual

I'd be taking a loss if I set my prices anywhere near the "normal" TRI station prices, and then how would I afford to hire these escorts everyone keeps telling me to get?

Simple, don't sell equipment. Mining is profitable, hauling is profitable, being tipped by people that appreciate you keeping QC in equipment is profitable. If you sell equipment from your POS you have to screw me to do it. So don't do it.

The EU ppl refuse to realize that everyone has to make equipment. OV, QSSP, etc etc. If everyone that is making equipment for their squads puts that equipment on their faction station and protects it, there's enough for everyone. That's how it's always worked on the US server, even when we had plenty of people.

[Tim]

too bad you can't blow up POS's.. that'd solve some issues, i bet.

[Supermax]

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

The EU ppl refuse to realize that everyone has to make equipment. OV, QSSP, etc etc. If everyone that is making equipment for their squads puts that equipment on their faction station and protects it, there's enough for everyone. That's how it's always worked on the US server, even when we had plenty of people.

As I wrote on the official forums already, a compromise will have to be found. IMO there is no instrinsic reason why stocking factional stations and PoS markets should not be able to coexist. The system might just need time to balance out - the economy just isn't designed to effectively handle a massive influx of non-newbie players with a lot of cash during a very short period of time.

Declaring a one-person crusade against everyone who sells equipment on his station (or keeps it stocked for squad usage) will not solve any problems in the longer term, but rather increase the gap that the server merge was originally supposed to close.

[jelomadnes]

Sounds to me like the "old econ" is slightly missed.

[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by Supermax

IMO there is no instrinsic reason why stocking factional stations and PoS markets should not be able to coexist.

The main reason I see is that it's virtually impossible to stop you from taking the gear from the factional stations to sell from your POS. I can work all day to make equipment for factional stations, and in 2 minutes you can dock and click 'buy' and all my work is undone.

@Jelo
No one likes there being no gear, but at least there's a reason to be a hauler or a miner.

[Supermax]

The PoS stocks will eventually be saturated to an extent that the amount of gear needed to re-stock PoS only reflects the amount of gear actually needed to re-equip ships; at which point there is virtually no difference whether a downed pilot reequips on his PoS or on his factional home station.

Please don't misunderstand me - I absolutely share your opinion that something should be done against pilots who take loads of equipment from non-producing stations; but if someone mines/scoops the missing ingredients himself, hauls them to a producing station and produces stuff for his personal (or his squad's) use, or even for re-sale, then this is perfectly legitimate IMO, even if you don't particularly like it.

[GrimGriz]

Taking the stuff that me or other people that believe in stocked TRI stations have produced (local or otherwise) is my greivance. I could care less what people do with what they make. However, I have no way of differentiating someone who makes stuff and someone who takes what others make, and both would claim to have made it themselves.

[ELPIRATA]

I just know one thing. I heard that Oct space needed equipment and I went to work and get it, cause its what I like to do. To give just an example... I moved 184 rushes to OP (among many other things that surprsingly do remain) and in 2 days, they started to go down, which is logical cause people die and re-equip. But, in the third, 130 rushes that were remaining... disappeared.

I can take a wild guess and see what happened. OV does not use Dragons... therefore .. they didnt get them. The Firm mainly dont use Dragons either. Im still waiting to hear from OA and perhaps OMC (but they are 4 pilots... why would they need 130 rushes for?).

The reason why equipment disappears is because someone doesnt want to see Oct space stocked, that's it. Problem is we have not been able to find the stripper, but eventually we will. Once we spot him... he can kiss is ass goodbye, and all I really would hope for is that Oct squads kill him repeatedly, so he perhaps learns.

From now on.. all I'll do is mine, and you all do what u think is more convenient with the commods we make. My pos is not so well stocked, but I can survive for a little bit.

ELP

[Nohbody]

Originally Posted by ELPIRATA

I moved 184 rushes to OP (among many other things that surprsingly do remain) and in 2 days, they started to go down, which is logical cause people die and re-equip. But, in the third, 130 rushes that were remaining... disappeared.

I can take a wild guess and see what happened. OV does not use Dragons... therefore .. they didnt get them. The Firm mainly dont use Dragons either. Im still waiting to hear from OA and perhaps OMC (but they are 4 pilots... why would they need 130 rushes for?).

Not trying to stir things up, but the Peregrine and Oct ranger, both of which aren't entirely unheard of in PvP fleets, use Rushes as well, not to mention Vultures (though I don't know of any dedicated Oct miner squads, off the top of my head).

[Scharena]

Originally Posted by ELPIRATA

I can take a wild guess and see what happened. OV does not use Dragons... therefore .. they didnt get them. The Firm mainly dont use Dragons either. Im still waiting to hear from OA and perhaps OMC (but they are 4 pilots... why would they need 130 rushes for?).

ELP

OA dont strip OP !!! We hv just 1-3 Pilots in Dragons the rest goes in Miner or ROC because we need things for having our fleet mobil !!

[Supermax]

Perhaps one or more Quants or Sols took them to weaken the Octavian forces? If civing station strippers is a valid option, then stripping stations to gain a strategic advantage should also be a valid tactic.

[GrimGriz]

It is a *valid* tactic. However, a long time ago on the US server we all decided that fun is more important that strategic advantage, and the side without gear usually logs off. If you consider your enemies logging off a victory, you don't pvp for the same reason people from the US server do. That may be another thing we have to find a compromise on.