[dailatron]

Originally Posted by Radi

I do not think you know what are you talking about. Themis was a disaster. Just mention Moll.

I think it is you that does not know what Im talking about.

Since NetDevil took over the role that Themis was doing game activity by GMs has visualy declined, just read the forums to see no TRINN reports and people asking whats happening.

Originally Posted by Singleshot

Yet is the US that is still in operation and the EU dead. Your statement totally makes sense.

More online pilots = more popular (to me anyway). So my statement does totally make sense.

[Radi]

Heh. I remember couple such times when Themis was around too. Which was zero GM activity.

[SingleShot]

Originally Posted by dailatron

More online pilots = more popular (to me anyway). So my statement does totally make sense.

Current online pilots:
EU Server - Zero
US Server - Greater than zero

I wonder which is more popular?

[dailatron]

You're just being asinine now. Infact all your posts in this thread have been.

[king0815]

I wouldnt wonder if Singleshot has ever worked for Radio Yerevan... The distortian of facts in his posts is outstanding!

[SingleShot]

teehee.

[GrimGriz]

[quote=Algore;12664]Many people, many times have pointed out what was better. I'll agree with Vorlon that pure hostility and blind ignorance is the standard US response./QUOTE]

I've never seen what was better pointed out tactfully it in a thread that didn't contain 'EU was better unf unf', and it's not hard to figure out why that kind of statement gets a hostile response.

Any good make the server like EU suggestions should never involve the letters EU. That brings up too many other issues. A good suggestion should just be a good suggestion, without any reference to what used to be one way.

And of course there was hostility, our playstyles were incompatible on several levels. The one that affected me most was the "have to get gear at a POS" attitude changing the "able to get gear at faction stations" I was used to. In fact, had the server not finally gotten to a point where we could stock sol core, I probably wouldn't be playing. Ruining the way I play the game definitely makes me hostile.

[Lordopic]

The fact that we could by XYZ at any station but sometime the distance to that pos in the next sector was a lot closer than the station and the higher price worth the time saved, seems to been forgotten.

Just because and im sorry, *EU* server had a pos market as well as a station market didn’t mean that faction stations were out of equipment. A lo of players made there living running a pos market or supplying the market, look how many players left due to the clash of this playing style, its our ball so its our rules, if you don’t like it find a new ball. Well they did and so went a large chunk of the *EU* player base, but I don’t think that is half of the reason why a lot left, the people I talk to about why aren’t you playing any more is RP the lack of any.

Lets face it the GM- staff has about as much imagination as a gold fish. Just look at the constant reply of the sent attacks and FM’s. would it hurt to have a different FM or a different event with the conflux rather than the tried and tested formula that our current GM-Team seems to be sticking with.

EDIT* I shall hold judgement on that till i see what path the new Aman news takes*

In the word of Dr Carl Sagan

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere.

[Wild_Bill]

Lordo and others, I think the US players take your point, especially those of us who remember when the US server was a "land of plenty" as opposed to the economy of scarcity it has been for a while now. Algore I agree it is beyond a doubt that mining is not the best economic model for the current player base. It's getting better, but it still sucks.

The biggest difference I see is a lack of resources on the US server. I speak of the GM teams. EU had hordes of volunteers in GM, OP, EP positions (or so I've heard, no idea on the actual numbers). ND just will not, and cannot due to legal concerns, allow that kind of power in non-employee hands and obviously can't afford to hire enough employee programmers/developers/what ever to do the job volunteers did on EU.

No matter how responsive or inventive or imaginative GM_Istvan is or is not, he's only one programmer and can only do so much. I do not mean to be an apologist for Ist, ND and sure as hell not for Themis, but you have to look at the reality of the situation. To paraphrase Gandhi "You can't lift yourself by the bootstraps if you have no boots".

[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by Lordopic

The fact that we could by XYZ at any station but sometime the distance to that pos in the next sector was a lot closer than the station and the higher price worth the time saved, seems to been forgotten.

Just because and im sorry, *EU* server had a pos market as well as a station market didn’t mean that faction stations were out of equipment.

No, but it meant that when you guys came over and tried to apply that playstyle to this economy, TRI stations became empty. I don't fault anyone for playing the way they always have, and I don't fault anyone for quitting over not being able to play that way. I know that if I wasn't able to play the way I like (dying a lot and being homed at a TRI station), I'd stop playing.

In regards to the economy, I wouldn't at all mind if only 2-3 commods were mine-only. I think that'd be much better actually. I'd suggest the easiest to get from each roid-type: Iron from common, Silicon from Semi, Cobalt from rad, water from ice, and Copper from pm. That way miners would still make a difference and there'd be plenty of stuff to haul around.

Sadly, I don't think Istvan is willing to give up on the mined stuff only. That's why most recently my suggestions have been to remove or drastically reduce the common ore from non-common roid types. That way the people that do mine would have an easier time making the specific commods needed.

[Algore]

deleted for nothing other than the forums screwed me into doing 2 separate posts along the same lines.

[Algore]

Should old EU peeps start threads with "I have a dream", "or I have a vision", and let on that it was never tried out in practise? Would that be better?
No one likes change, I know I hate it, but I always try to embrace it. Take the MT patch for example. Not being able to dock at enemy stations, and demerits to name but two which I have changed my mind on. The reduction of cp's the importance of station production, keeping them stocked, and then not stripping are others.
Just because it's not what you are used to doesn't mean it won't be better. It doesn't matter the source.

Regards
Al

[GrimGriz]

Actually, iirc one of the times that was posted (or my personal experience after it was posted) is what got me thinking it was a good idea. Go and check out how many of my suggestions haven't been implemented (