When do you think GMs should intervene?

Algore

On the whiskey over the festive season Lavey?

Regards
Festive Al(Holiday Al to some US)

*hides in corner*

SingleShot

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Originally Posted by LaVey

You could take the issue... but as far as I know, you never played Jumpgate on EU.

An incorrect assesment!

LaVey · 09:53 AM

Hence I added "at least never when I were in power".

You could ask around and see how many bans there were for civing when I took over. Only bans issued were for cheating and perm banned accounts trying to come back with new names. I'm not having a go or something, just that things been bent over and over on forums and by word.

LaVey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Algore

On the whiskey over the festive season Lavey?

Regards
Festive Al(Holiday Al to some US)

*hides in corner*

Hello mate

Were some whiskey last night, just to forget that it was x-mas. We celebrate it the 24th in Sweden. But this is more of a beer season at the moment. Got about 100 beers left

SingleShot

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaVey

Hence I added "at least never when I were in power".

You could ask around and see how many bans there were for civing when I took over. Only bans issued were for cheating and perm banned accounts trying to come back with new names. I'm not having a go or something, just that things been bent over and over on forums and by word.

I do realize what you're saying. But don't see total number of bans as being the entire story - if people didn't break the civkill=griefkill=ban "rules" then they wouldn't get banned...just like if Algore could keep his mouth shut, he wouldn't either. Just because people don't break the rules doesn't mean the rules are "good".

Before you spring to EU's defence, I'm aware that I exaggerate the EU Rules with reference to "civkill=griefkill=ban". But it was still the prevailing attitude of many players when I played over there.
PS, when were you in "power"?

LaVey

Well, like it's any news to anyone that I were GMAzazel.

Ok, perhaps to some. But majority know/knew who I were. So it's better that I give it away, instead of some rumour.

...and of course I know the rule that said "civ kill someone and you're banned". Thing is still: Did I ever use it? I read the mails I had on the issue, I wanted to hear both sides of the story... I also made some posts on the forums that mentioned that I would loosen the grip on the rules, also I tried to re-write the whole ROC. Too bad we lost the server before it went into reality as GMToast and I really tried to brake that thing in part totally. Together with OP-Sabre, OP-Zaphod and OP-Chilli.

I always tried to make pilots solve their problems in space, not on forums or mails to me, something like it's always been done on US. But it was hard work... and I was called biased when I didn't ban.

SingleShot

For the record, I screwed around in TBH around during the reign of Toast as a GM (and not an operator)

It wasn't bad, but if I had to stock and finance myself I would have had a miserable time of it. Whoever thought up the "CP Economy woot" should be shot.

LaVey

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Originally Posted by SingleShot

It wasn't bad, but if I had to stock and finance myself I would have had a miserable time of it. Whoever thought up the "CP Economy woot" should be shot.

I fully agree.

Mabasha · 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Management

It's one thing when you guys sit here and bitch and moan about the current server. Whining about the former EU server and accusing one of my mods of foul play is another.

Happens again and there will be bans around here too. You'll find out what kind of an ******* I can be when provoked.

Now, back to the respectful debate.

Jump

GrimGriz

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Originally Posted by Mabasha

themis banned members from us for 1 hour mining.

eh?

Supermax · 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mabasha

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I was one of those members of the team who believed in Filzi's innocence for a very long time. But the evidence gathered by my fellow teammembers (people who know a lot more about PvP than I do) finally convinced even me.

But now it amazes me how one can talk so much - excuse my French - bull***t and still keep a straight face when looking into the mirror.

Algore

I wub freedom of speech

In my exp those experienced pvp OP/GM were out of date not so experienced OP/GM biased little mofo's with alterior agendas that got their asses licked too freely, privately, and regulary in order to make a genuine unmotivated, independant judgement.
People throw enough **** some will stick.
Those guys that knew stuff about pvp were second rate who applied to be in the OP team to feel important. No offence but you know I'm right.

Regards
Al

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	Algore Member Pilot Name: Algore Joystick: MS Force Feedback 2 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Belfast. Northern Ireland Posts: 576 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0	On the whiskey over the festive season Lavey? Regards Festive Al(Holiday Al to some US) hides in corner


	LaVey Beta n00b Pilot Name: LaVey Joystick: Logitech Freedom 2.4 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Gothenburg Sweden Posts: 159 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0	Hence I added "at least never when I were in power". You could ask around and see how many bans there were for civing when I took over. Only bans issued were for cheating and perm banned accounts trying to come back with new names. I'm not having a go or something, just that things been bent over and over on forums and by word.
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	SingleShot Member Pilot Name: SingleShot Joystick: Spare FF2 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 495 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0	For the record, I screwed around in TBH around during the reign of Toast as a GM (and not an operator) It wasn't bad, but if I had to stock and finance myself I would have had a miserable time of it. Whoever thought up the "CP Economy woot" should be shot.


	Algore Member Pilot Name: Algore Joystick: MS Force Feedback 2 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Belfast. Northern Ireland Posts: 576 Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0	I wub freedom of speech In my exp those experienced pvp OP/GM were out of date not so experienced OP/GM biased little mofo's with alterior agendas that got their asses licked too freely, privately, and regulary in order to make a genuine unmotivated, independant judgement. People throw enough **** some will stick. Those guys that knew stuff about pvp were second rate who applied to be in the OP team to feel important. No offence but you know I'm right. Regards Al


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