[vorlon31]

lol, cant speak about mat farms, never had that on the eu. But many games do have pvp arena's, areas where combat is expected and that is how I see the hg tag system and unregulated space. But I guess i have a black and white view maybe, I like to see customer satisfaction in everything, from the little miner who wants to sit on a roid all day every day to the pvp addicts who want to test their metal in heart stopping combat.

Like anything, its striking the balance that will always be hardest to do, but one day, I hope to see that happen.

Jumpgate is THE best game, on that we all agree.

[Istanbul]

SingleShot,

Why cant jumpgate be "CareBear Land" too? There are HG ppl for ppl to kill. Of course I understand that there are doofuses who about 'spying' and doing stupid things like that as civs. But, the question we are discussing isn't what to do about them... but, what to do about griefers. I'm still withholding opinions on that matter until Istvan is able to finish his changes (if ever). Meanwhile, don't be all high and mighty.

[Argyris]

Originally Posted by vorlon31

[...]How lazy is that! If you want to stop a civ colouring your space a dif colour then flip the beacons yourself, that way the civ has to be hg to do it the wrong colour.[...]

I'm a carebear too, which is why your suggestion is not an option for me. If I allow foreign civ flippers to finish their work I'd deny our own (maybe low level) civs to do flipping. And usually I warn the flipper to stop or be killed, unless of course it's GrimGriz

And besides that I agree with SingleShot on that matter.

[xerout]

Originally Posted by QrazyKermi

......Plus they'd usually get handouts to help offset their losses.

Those handouts usually came from mat-farm proceeds. With the nerfing of mat-farms, nobody could give handouts, so nobody helped each other. Space went to hell, and everyone quit. I'm sure baby seals were hurt by the nerfing of mat-farms, but I haven't been able to prove that.... yet.

So in the end, Jumpgate is where it's at because mat-farms were nerfed....

5..... 4.... 3.....

100% correct.

By the way, the carebear community in Jumpgate has griefed more players out of this game than any other group by far....far more than the worst civ rippers. EPII was the non-pvper's carebear dream come true....and online numbers went from 300 to 30 during prime time. Jumpgate was designed to be a PvP game without true safe zones at it's very core....it's what made the game exciting and you'll just never get that.....never.

X

[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by xerout

EPII was the non-pvper's carebear dream come true.

LOL, EPII was a disappointment for everyone that stuck around long enough to see it. It's interesting that you blame development decisions on non-pvpers though.....

JG was designed to be a PvP game without true safe zones at it's very core....

and then they added civ/HG tags and flux and changed it into something else.

[REDRUM]

What is light without darkness,good without evil?

[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by REDRUM

What is light without darkness,good without evil?

peaceful and pleasant :P

[REDRUM]

oh you mean boring.

[vorlon31]

depends on what you want. But so far I havent seen a post from a TRUE miner saying how thrilled and excited he gets when someone shoots his hm and all its ore out from under him, how he yearns for the thrill of ff'ing awaay at 0-60 in 30mins.

Pvp pilots as a rule want civing to exist, as do their 2nd accounts and people who want to get into pvp themselves - why? because shooting pilots is what they play for and woooo sometime targets are scarce and if they think real hard they might find half a reason to shoot a civ (he flipped that beacon Ive ignored for 2 years, he stole the flux I was going to dump, he said a bad word, he spoke nasty to my squadm8 3 weeks ago - at least i think it was him, he threw stones at my puppy in a prev life) Dudes, thats what unregs for fcs.

A third of the remaining pilots have apathy on the subject and the rest get labeled carebears, strung up and shot down at every opertunity.

the clue realy is in the names of the differing regions "unregulated space" and "regulated space"

Its not unreg and kindagreywavylineIdontknowdamm iti'llshoothimeanyway space

Besides some people pay to play within the "boring" areas of games, if only some of the short sighted high horse myway or the highway peeps would realised that some people with busy lives like a game that they can relax in. After all Eve has over 11,000 players who believe in just that and those players will make all the equip that the nitropvp'rs use up, possibly.

[Istanbul]

The problem is, Vorlon31, that though the miners/haulers and whatnot can understand the point of PvPers wanting to fight and paying to do so. It seems as if many of the PvPers can't understand that miners/haulers or whoever pay to play and don't want to get shot down. Obviously if you do something extremely risky/stupid, there should be a chance of consequences from those actions, but, most of us are smart enough not to tell off most of the PvPers. So, until some random griefer pops up, like they do regularly, in the name of, "space should be dangerous" (hello, it's dangerous enough for me between flux, roids and gates, oh yeah, and docking too), they're fine. Unfortunately, this random griefer business pops up all too often.

[REDRUM]

You could always play solitaire vorlon31 its safe and boring.

[Sephiroth]

The problem Vorlon, is there is no reason for pilots to fly to unregulated space 99% of the time. So your "that's what unreg is for argument" is pretty worthless in general. Okay so if you're flying between Quant/Sol there is one unreg sector you have to fly through unless you want to go around the rediculously long way, or flying to Amananth requires iirc two unreg sectors, but generally you can avoid unreg the majority of the time you play Jumpgate, so combat with non-PvPers can only happen in regulated space.

Of course, even if there were more targets in unreg I'd still want civ ripping to exist because there are enough reasons that it should exist.

[Istanbul]

REDRUM, wth can't we play the best flying sim out there without roid rage apes threatening to shoot us down? Go kill other apes. Same with Sephiroth, why all this BS about, "But there are so few unreg sectors for us to kill non PvPers in"? go kill people who LIKE fighting!