[GrimGriz]

If done properly can POS serve everyone's needs without decentralizing real stations? I think so. Here's how I think it could happen:

Market Modules
I suggest market modules be removed and that Auction Houses be created at each factional core station. If you arty-hunt or produce equipment, you'll get more customers that way, and everyone has a reason to go to the core stations.

Factory Modules
Factional stations should produce only commodities, and not equipment (or very very limited variety of equipment). Establishing good enough reputation (PR) with various factions/corporations should allow you to buy a specifically tuned factory module (i.e. sucking up and running missions for venurian prospecting would allow you to buy a POS factory module that creates size 6 mining lasers). Like refuel etc, you can assign a fee for using your module. They would work mostly like CPs, except they could have diverse (non-wasteful) commod requirments...i.e. 2 cesium, 3 chemicals, and 1 crate of gas containers would instantly make 8 flashfires. They would appear in your hold, not for sale at the station, like refining ore now.

Ore Silo
Ore silo's on the other hand, would be a place to refine and store ore for sale. They'd also communicate with your factions mission computer (if the player turns the option on), so people trying to make stuff would easily be able to know that Grizwald's Gallows is the best place to get Silicon at a fair price, and how much was there.

Storage modules
Storage modules would come in 2 flavors, personal and squad. The personal ones would work like the ones we have now. The squad ones would only work on squad-owned stations (expensive, 1 per squad, high maintenance), but would allow the squad leader to assign access to the module based on squad rank. i.e. if you have 4 ranks, you can give 3 access to the squad storage, and 1 for new members/members you don't trust.

Ship Hangars
Mostly, I think this functionality should be moved to faction stations. However, I wouldn't mind a squad hangar so long as you actually had to stock it with hulls.


There ya go, pick it apart, and be glad it's not about freighter and miner turrets.

[Jump]

I think POS were a mistake, are a mistake, and will be a mistake. They should have faction owned stations that are built as a group activity to expand the territories and encourage interaction. POS are too much of a single player nature. That's my opinion.

Besides, I know you want turrets on your station.

[daslog]

I'm in shock, mostly because I think Griz came up with a good idea....

[dailatron]

I very much like the auction house idea for stations but, Id like to be able to sell from a POS too especial a squad POS. Otherwise it would be a nightmare to recoup for cost of equipment/stock.

I still think its the econ on this server that lets Jumpgate down and that has a knock on effect to station stock and the demonization of the poor POS. If they get the mining and production side sorted we shouldnt have major shortages.

Im telling you, a POS market works fantasticly if people are able to produce stuff to sell.

[Milkman]

Originally Posted by daslog

I'm in shock, mostly because I think Griz came up with a good idea....

Just what i was thinking...

[Hurricane]

Can you still dock and sit at the new, no turret POS's?

Basically changed the name of market Modules to personal / squad storage modules. How much storage would you get from these modules? How many personal storage modules would I be able to put on my POS? Would the 8 point POS still be the biggest?

How many factory modules am I going to be allowed to have? How am I going to tell who has FF's modules without skipping from station to station to find one to rent?

No doubt that I agree that Faction Station should be providing thier pilots with ship hangers.

You can please some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time.

[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by dailatron

I very much like the auction house idea for stations but, Id like to be able to sell from a POS too especial a squad POS. Otherwise it would be a nightmare to recoup for cost of equipment/stock.

I would be surprised if there wasn't a squad bank in Jumpgate Evolution to handle just that sort of thing, either that or the squad tools to fix the problem.

Im telling you, a POS market works fantasticly if people are able to produce stuff to sell.

I kind of believe you, but personally I don't like flying around to 5 different stations to get gear. Under this system, the people that make stuff can fly around to various POS, and lazy people like me can pay them for their efforts by buying their stuff off the AH.

[dailatron]

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

I would be surprised if there wasn't a squad bank in Jumpgate Evolution to handle just that sort of thing, either that or the squad tools to fix the problem.

If thats the case I can live with that. Ill just feel sorry for all those Octs that wont be able to dock at our POS for RRR. But yeah I can live with that.

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

I kind of believe you, but personally I don't like flying around to 5 different stations to get gear. Under this system, the people that make stuff can fly around to various POS, and lazy people like me can pay them for their efforts by buying their stuff off the AH.

Actualy yes your right about an AH aswell. You wouldnt need to sell from a pos.

So we're down to squad POS's and mining POS's with rent and upkeep commods needed I take it ?. I like it.

[GrimGriz]

And player run factory POS as well

[Wild_Bill]

I still prefer my /production command to build stuff at a faction station as opposed to the POS factory module. As you pointed out in your AH idea, the centralization of production is a better idea. No factory to rent, etc. Just the /production command. As long as I can rent storage/hanger space on a faction station I'm okay with removing POS from the game (which ain't gonna happen). I don't really mind if we keep the current POS either. Why should I waste a module slot on my POS and the cost of a new module only to produce ONE type of equipment? Even if I can change the recipe to produce other stuff for a price. Let's leave the factories on/at the stations. We don't need credit sinks in a game that none of us have even played yet.

[GrimGriz]

I wasn't aiming for factory mods to be credit sinks. If you have no intention of other pilots coming to your station, a factory mod probably wouldn't be in your best interest for your personal station.

I'm not entirely opposed to production remaining on the stations, but I think it needs quite a bit of tweaking if it is.

[Lordopic]

As long as I have somewhere to call /home and space for a few fighter kits and a hanger with my ships in ( which will need ship hulls, never liked the idea of *oh look a new ship* ) then do what you will .