[netburnr]

well I'm not quant anymore, so I can't tell you what they have now.

[ELPIRATA]

Well, sols also have a bigger shield

ELP

[biteme]

Originally Posted by Karash

SS, I guess it was a product of flying Octavian so much. You got into the fight, and there was no chance of you 'escaping'. I am not saying weak PVP'ers used FFs as a crutch, because I used them all the time. What I am saying is I clearly remember no one wanting to fight when there was a FF shortage (US Server). Most of the Octs would still try to fight, but if they came up against a squad that had stockpiled Flashfires they would get slaughtered (more than usual).

I don't think anyone is disagreeing that Flashfires were broken as far as game design goes...at least I hope.

I disagree. Fighting nixes with out FF's goes like this...... KK I'm on corty.....damn it my shields ar BOOM. I hardy think they were a crutch they were a part of ship balance. With out them or some system like it the game will be much less fun for a lot of the reasons that FF whore said.

@ posters in this thread
Enough with the isty bottom licking already jeesh You made me throw up in my mouth a little.

[netburnr]

Originally Posted by biteme

I disagree. Fighting nixes with out FF's goes like this...... KK I'm on corty.....damn it my shields ar BOOM. I hardy think they were a crutch they were a part of ship balance. With out them or some system like it the game will be much less fun for a lot of the reasons that FF whore said.

@ posters in this thread
Enough with the isty bottom licking already jeesh You made me throw up in my mouth a little.

biteme come on man..... I used to go up against nix without FF all the time in the tense, its not that bad. You are just trying to circle too long. I will give you that is pretty much damn near impossible to take down a nix 1v1 without FF, but if there are two of you its very easy....you just have to slow down, take your time, and keep the shields up while double teaming.

As far as the throw up....hahaha, griefed you!

[biteme]

I'm confused? if you are saying that I need 2 ffless tenzys to take out one ffless nix doesn't that just prove the point? ff's were a part of ship balance and not a crutch?

It seems to me that ff's made the fight fun for everyone they let everyone stay in the fight longer, that goes for the better players and the weaker ones. God knows without the ability to flee the tesrends, SSs and liets of the world are going to die first and fast.

If were not going to have cookie cutter ships that all have the same stats then there must be some kind of speed boost as an equalizer or the fastest ships win period.

[netburnr]

Originally Posted by biteme

I'm confused? if you are saying that I need 2 ffless tenzys to take out one ffless nix doesn't that just prove the point? ff's were a part of ship balance and not a crutch?

You are not confused, you are explaining the way the "factions" are set up. The octs are set up to be heavy hitting warriers. The sols are meant to be the fast flying econ workers.

How about this point....

1 tense can not take down a nix. 2 tense can. 1 nix can not take down a tense. 2 nix can not take down a tense. 3 nix can not take down a tense.

Are you seeing where I am going here? The tense has the ability to engage and disengage at will, where as the nix has to just sit there and wait for someone stupid enough to get close enough, and stay close enough.

[biteme]

Oh I'm completely aware of the frustrations of a nix driver and I truly hope these issues are addressed in Jumpgate Evolution. Getting rid of or dumbing down FFs given the current ship balance in JCE would make your world even more frustrating no? I assume of course that Jumpgate Evolution will be a wildly different game at least I hope it is.

[netburnr]

I agree biteme, I am really hoping the fighter craft are a lot closer in specs to each other, especially if the FF as we know it is taken out.

[Liet]

There's no way to address one ship being slower than another, and therefore incapable of catching a faster ship. One ship's just always gonna be slower.

The good news is that I like being the slower ship!

[Tritian]

Originally Posted by biteme

It seems to me that ff's made the fight fun for everyone they let everyone stay in the fight longer, that goes for the better players and the weaker ones. God knows without the ability to flee the tesrends, SSs and liets of the world are going to die first and fast.

i normally die first and fast even with FF's. =P

[SingleShot]

Originally Posted by biteme

God knows without the ability to flee the tesrends, SSs and liets of the world are going to die first and fast.

It depends, I suppose. FFs get you out of trouble, but staggered FF use by multiple people on the same target is a death sentence for the target. So it can go both ways.

[Eraser55]

Originally Posted by Liet

There's no way to address one ship being slower than another, and therefore incapable of catching a faster ship. One ship's just always gonna be slower.

The good news is that I like being the slower ship!

thats true.. thats why there needs to be clear advantages/difference. As it is now, the ships are to similar, and that makes the 10velocity difference count to much.