[Istanbul]

There should be turrets! But they should only have a harpoon gun with a tow cable, so that you can shoot the offending pirate and then whip them into an asteroid!

[GrimGriz]

Originally Posted by Eraser55

why does every thread seem to turn into "defensless miners and the need of turrets" lately..

Because everyone hates to agree with me, even when I'm right

[Eraser55]

it was never about right or wrong. I think you are taking it to far, not only you but many of us. We all want our ideas to be in Jumpgate Evolution. But we dont need to try to convince everyone around here. Just state your points in the thread that you created and stop repeating everything in every thread possible.

And remember somone will always dissagree so lets all agree that we can dissagree and stop there..

[Jump]

Originally Posted by Eraser55

it was never about right or wrong. I think you are taking it to far, not only you but many of us. We all want our ideas to be in Jumpgate Evolution. But we dont need to try to convince everyone around here. Just state your points in the thread that you created and stop repeating everything in every thread possible.

And remember somone will always dissagree so lets all agree that we can dissagree and stop there..

QFT

[netburnr]

Originally Posted by Jonboy

In Jumpgate Classic, it isn't a free-kill, as it's a persistent universe, and I am capable of getting into a fighter craft and killing the person who attacked me when I was vulnerable.

......

I accept the fact that I may be killed when I'm mining. I act to reduce the risk of being killed when mining with my other actions in-game.

Agreed, Jumpgate Classic was not a "free kill" system, if you kill someone, there is a damn good chance you will pay for it later. Either through a hit contract with a mec squad, or being added to all the factional squad's KOS list, or even being chased down by the pissed off pilot. You never really know what would happen. A lot of people were good enough they didn't have to worry about any of that, but eventually they left anyway.

And I'm with Jonboy here. Thats why netburnr was never mean to anyone, always followed his RP, and didn't civrip. Because I wanted to be able to haul stuff and mine, and do whatever else without having to worry about a bunch of people pissed off at my actions. Hell most of the time I was mining or hauling, I was HG anyway, so even if the "PvP assholes" wanted to shoot me, they could, and the SYSTEM wouldn't penalize them. Sure I would hope back in a nix or ranger and call up a few friends, but I didn't make them go through 30 stupid missions just to get their factional rep back. I hated the stupid civ system then, and I almost hate it as much now. That is why I always fly HG (or in the case, MT now that they nerfed HG away)

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

When a miner or hauler is civved what he was doing is halted, and all his efforts up to that point are for naught.

Here's the worst part though, examine this scenario: Bob wants to mine and plays late at night when not many other people are around. He likes to mine in some out of the way sector, like rear gate. Bill is an asshat, and gets a kick out of pissing other people off. Every time Bill sees that Bob is on, he goes looking for his miner and makes it explode because Bob can't fight back. If Bob gets in a fighter, Bill is still entertained, and Bob doesn't get to do what he wants to do. Bill can force Bob to play the game his way, or not at all, because Netdevil designed mining ships to be defenseless.

Bob doesn't have to get in a fighter, Bob has to get an escort. Now instead of Bill coming in expecting a nub ship, he is gatecamped by an experienced Pilot who blows his ass out of the sky. Now Bob lost a crap ton of money to the bounty system, can't get equipment, etc etc.

You act like there are no consequences to civripping, its like YOU NEVER EVEN TRIED IT.

Originally Posted by Eraser55

why does every thread seem to turn into "defensless miners and the need of turrets" lately..

Originally Posted by Eraser55

it was never about right or wrong. I think you are taking it to far, not only you but many of us. We all want our ideas to be in Jumpgate Evolution. But we dont need to try to convince everyone around here. Just state your points in the thread that you created and stop repeating everything in every thread possible.

And remember somone will always dissagree so lets all agree that we can dissagree and stop there..

Originally Posted by Jump

QFT

Also Quoted for Truth.

Originally Posted by GrimGriz

Because everyone hates to agree with me, even when I'm right

Your not right, YOU WILL NEVER BE RIGHT. All you are is another person trying to get your idea implemented. Putting it in every fucking thread on this forum isnt going to help, all it does is piss us off.

I know you want to beat me at the contest, but just posting your stupid fucking turret idea over and over and over and over and over in every thread you respond to does nothing but piss some of us off.

If all I have to do stop this turret spam is stop posting so you can win the TrackIR I will gladely do it.

But at least when I post, I post about the previous posts and don't just keep posting one idea over and over.

[project3wc]

i wouldnt mind a way for miners/haulers to defend themselves..

[project3wc]

crap sorry for the double post i couldnt edit my last one

heres a question: some people here rather have AI escorts defend miners/haulers then why not just have AI turrets? wouldnt it be the same thing? just a thought

[Jump]

Ok folks, the topic is the MT system. Let's keep it at that.

[netburnr]

Originally Posted by Jump

Ok folks, the topic is the MT system. Let's keep it at that.

In all fairness, my post above was about the thread first, then I went off topic because...well you know why

[SingleShot]

Originally Posted by netburnrol

Agreed, Jumpgate Classic was not a "free kill" system, if you kill someone, there is a damn good chance you will pay for it later. [...]
A lot of people were good enough they didn't have to worry about any of that, but eventually they left anyway.

That's the ticket. Also, who you killed mattered a great deal as well.

But maybe that's just the name of the game in a skill-based system. Do we really want it working in some other, skill independent, way?

CCJ!

[Wild_Bill]

"Quoted for truth" is that really what QFT means? (shakes his head and starts to roll away...) Wait a minute! I object to "Bill" being the asshat in this little scenario!

Also, if you really want miners/haulers to be safe, give them umpteen missile slots capable of launching MS and they will be as safe as safe CAN be! Or an in-board missile re-loader that only functions at 0-5v