[Tim]

I'm in total agreement on the whole 'accountable' issue. Perhaps an immediate civ-rip isn't the only conceivable reaction to a perceived insult.

There is always.. i don't know.. flux dumping, following him around and scaring him until he leaves the safer zones, causing him to accidentally pick up a temp bounty, or even mooning him through the cockpit window.

If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Maybe a civ-rip is just one of a number of tools one could use.

[dailatron]

Originally Posted by Tim

I'm in total agreement on the whole 'accountable' issue. Perhaps an immediate civ-rip isn't the only conceivable reaction to a perceived insult.

There is always.. i don't know.. flux dumping, following him around and scaring him until he leaves the safer zones, causing him to accidentally pick up a temp bounty, or even mooning him through the cockpit window.

Or be the bigger man.

You dont get a 22mill bounty for one rip anyway.

[Tritian]

Yes you do, if you civrip while rat tagged. Instant -120pr.

Originally Posted by Tim

I'm in total agreement on the whole 'accountable' issue. Perhaps an immediate civ-rip isn't the only conceivable reaction to a perceived insult.

There is always.. i don't know.. flux dumping, following him around and scaring him until he leaves the safer zones, causing him to accidentally pick up a temp bounty, or even mooning him through the cockpit window.

If your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Maybe a civ-rip is just one of a number of tools one could use.

Problem is, all those suggestions you mentioned are as lame as the initial act. IMO, civripping is a more effective deterrent from such activities in the future.

[Liet]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

"dump flux on him" "follow him around and scare him" "bounty seed him"

bwahahahahaahahha

"be the bigger man"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHAHAH

[Jump]

Or just ignore them. Who cares what some asshat says? They're in all the games you can play. To react is to feed them and encourage their growth.

[dailatron]

Originally Posted by Liet

"be the bigger man"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHAHAH

If you was in OV or ever on our TS you'd know how funny that actualy is.

[Wild_Bill]

Tritian, I apologize for hurting your feelings by calling your RP a "griefer RP". By your definitions what you do is not griefing. By mine, it is, but I will modify my comments. Nor was I upset by the "knob" comment. Considering the vast difference between our characters' point of view, our mutual restraint has been commendable. AI pirates will bother me about as much as AI flux and for the same reasons. It's not personal.

"Tritian" podding "Wild_Bill" would be intensely personal, to me at least. A RP built around other players being victimized by the "Pirate" for the pirates' pleasure and profit is repugnant to me. If that makes me (choose your own belittling insult), fine. Call me that all you want, but leave me out of it. As, in all honesty, you have. This is a discussion of philosophy, not personalities. Ideas not insults.

Seph, I have NEVER said I want absolute safety because I don't. Risk/reward are as broke as the bounty and tag systems so many folks complain about as dialatron pointed out. There is no reason to go into unreg.

All I really want is the ability to choose the level of danger. Just like the current flux situation. I know where the high flux areas are and can avoid them. The scenario some of the RP Pirates have indicated they want completely denies any safety to anyone anywhere anytime. I'm not talking about in-game-comments-have-in-game-consequences (like my last civ rip by balrog. It was justified). I'm not talking about running into Pirates or The Borg in unreg. I'm talking about being POD'd in Blasted Corners while mining (nope, wasn't any of y'all). Unable to run, unequipped to offer effective resistance, unwilling to pay, I took a pod ride. Didn't like it. Still makes me angry.

I get that "Tritian" wants to play pirate, hold pilots up for credits and shoot them if they don't. I understand he enjoys doing this (even if I don't understand WHY he enjoys it). I understand his chosen RP is very difficult for him and it challenges him to maintain it. What I don't understand is why "Tritian" can't seem to grasp MY desire NOT to be his victim. I've got nothing against PvPers in general, or in specific. I get along with them just fine. I haul on contract for a good many of them. Their RP doesn't require shooting at folks who can't give them a good fight so we get along just fine.

I've made my case for tags and I think it's well understood whether anyone agrees with it or not. I understand other folks want unrestricted warfare 24/7 and that some folks (NOT me) would perhaps prefer a game where no one could attack anyone else. I don't know what we will get in Jumpgate Evolution, but I look forward to finding out.

[daslog]

Originally Posted by Wild_Bill

What I don't understand is why "Tritian" can't seem to grasp MY desire NOT to be his victim.

It's not your enjoyment that's interested in. He grasps your desire, but it's irrelevant to him

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by daslog

In other words, no more involuntary civ rips in one form or another.

No he really didn't say that. But believe what you will I'm personally going to wait until there is a definitive answer to the question before I jump to conclusions.

[daslog]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

No he really didn't say that. But believe what you will I'm personally going to wait until there is a definitive answer to the question before I jump to conclusions.

"we want to protect those people who want to play in a PvE environment so that they don’t have this unfortunate experience of the first thing I do is launch and get killed"

I don't know how else you can read that.

[Tritian]

Originally Posted by Wild_Bill

By your definitions what you do is not griefing. By mine, it is

It's not my definition, it's THE definition. The term griefer isn't open to your own personal opinion. There is a clearly marked definition on several websites. I even posted the wikipedia definition (FOR THE SECOND TIME, first time was on the JOSSH forums) but apparently you still haven't read it. Oh well.

We can make up a word for your definition if you want, but 'griefer' is already taken. How about.... "Sphadoinkle"

As in: "Gosh Tritian, your sphadoinkle activities are making me quite upset!"

Or: "OMG Tritian, you're such a sphadoinkle!!!!"

Originally Posted by daslog

It's not your enjoyment that's interested in. He grasps your desire, but it's irrelevant to him

Pretty much.

I think the main reason it's irrelevant is because it's so illogical. it's not like your character dies, and looses all it's cash. it's not even like you loose a lot of cash. Infact, due to your insurance rating, all you loose is a bit of tax and maybe whatever arties you had, if any.

As i've said before multiple times... I honestly feel you guys are just way too sensitive.