Suggestion: Cockpit view locked

Mr_Bloodworth

Please take a look at the wing commander or privater series, Seeing the cockpit is a good thing. + TON immersion

biteme

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Originally Posted by Scorch

Right now we are thinking we will be like most simulators in that there will be an external camera, a first person camera and a in ship/HUD camera (maybe).

I recently played jumpgate with 3d lcd shudder glassed and it was perty darn cool (It was like my monitor was a window into real space!!), the cockpits were sweete in 3d but unfortunly like most games the interface are just 2d overlay elliments and don't work with the glasses (targeting and such). If Jumpgate Evolution supported the lcd glasses then the immersion of a cockpit would be to damn cool to turn off other wise there just in the way.,

Injustice

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Originally Posted by alphabet

So, basically what your saying is that it will be the same as Jumpgate Classic?

I'm sorry, which version of Jumpgate do you play that allows you to fly your ship in 3rd person view? I must've missed that patch.

KEA

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Originally Posted by Injustice

I'm sorry, which version of Jumpgate do you play that allows you to fly your ship in 3rd person view? I must've missed that patch.

Press 6 on the keyboard, the camera moves around the ship kinda funky, but it works

alphabet

Yep, KEA thats the version I play.. thanks for playin tho' Injustice, but you've just been voted off the island.

Mickey_D

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Originally Posted by KEA

Press 6 on the keyboard, the camera moves around the ship kinda funky, but it works

Except if you're flying a freighter. All you see is the big, fat arse of the ship. Nothing else.

Injustice

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Yep, KEA thats the version I play.. thanks for playin tho' Injustice, but you've just been voted off the island.

Let me say that again. Which version of Jumpgate allows you to FLY your ship in 3rd person view?

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Except if you're flying a freighter. All you see is the big, fat arse of the ship. Nothing else.

Mickey_D · 11:43 AM

If you press '6' on your keyboard, the view goes to the rear of the ship (chaser camera view). You are still fully in control of your ship, just no HUD.

The only problem comes in when you're flying a freighter. The external camera view is completely taken up by the arse of the ship. The camera angle doesn't go wide enough to see around the ship.

Works much like you see in this video (linky click) at time stamp 0:28 to 0:30.....

Aphelion

I think Injustice is refering to the inability of the HUD to render in 3rd person view. You really couldn't dock a ship in 3rd person so you can't call it "flying" can you?

I've always wanted to try those 3d glasses biteme was talking about but I hate how 2d elements won't render like crosshairs or ammo counters... Oh well.

biteme · 06:38 PM

If ND wanted to aphelion, they could make all the GUI elements work with the glasses.

BTW the GUI doese render with the glasses but look likes there stickers on your monitor 2 feet away, the problem is your eyes are focused 1600 meters out at the nix comming at you so the GUI is out of focus, if you read the GUI the nix is out of focus. You can see the target reticals too but you have the same focus problem + there positioned wrong because your viewing in 3D and there being displayed in 2d.

I wounder if any at ND ever tryed them.....hint hint.

Nohbody

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Originally Posted by Mr_Bloodworth

Please take a look at the wing commander or privater series, Seeing the cockpit is a good thing. + TON immersion

So good that not only could you turn it off in WC3, but it was removed entirely in WC4, removable cockpits were retrofitted into WC1/2, in the Kilrathi Saga compilation, and were pretty much non-issues in Prophecy and Secret Ops?

Somewhat more seriously, even if the cockpit graphics were spiffied up from the rather uninspiring Jumpgate Classic cockpit graphics, forcing them to always be active would be a step backwards, IMO. Make them interesting enough to turn on for those who want to try, yeah, but removing the choice to try to force "immersion" (remembering you're not really wearing a spacesuit when sitting in front of a computer monitor and keyboard... You aren't, are you...?

)? No thanks.

Scorch

We have spent a ton of time working on a nice external camera that works really well now. This will likely be the default view as it seems most users we talk to want to see their ship. Now for all the simulator fans, they will all be switching to first person right away. For joystick first person is much better as well.

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	Mr_Bloodworth Recruit Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6	Re: Suggestion: Cockpit view locked Please take a look at the wing commander or privater series, Seeing the cockpit is a good thing. + TON immersion


	alphabet Member Pilot Name: alphabet Joystick: Saitek X52 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 191	Re: Suggestion: Cockpit view locked Yep, KEA thats the version I play.. thanks for playin tho' Injustice, but you've just been voted off the island.
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	Mickey_D Cadet Joystick: Sidewinder Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 91	Re: Suggestion: Cockpit view locked If you press '6' on your keyboard, the view goes to the rear of the ship (chaser camera view). You are still fully in control of your ship, just no HUD. The only problem comes in when you're flying a freighter. The external camera view is completely taken up by the arse of the ship. The camera angle doesn't go wide enough to see around the ship. Works much like you see in this video (linky click) at time stamp 0:28 to 0:30.....
		Last edited by Mickey_D; 07-10-2007 at 11:43 AM.


	Aphelion Member Pilot Name: Aphelion Joystick: MS FF1 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Ring View Posts: 315	Re: Suggestion: Cockpit view locked I think Injustice is refering to the inability of the HUD to render in 3rd person view. You really couldn't dock a ship in 3rd person so you can't call it "flying" can you? I've always wanted to try those 3d glasses biteme was talking about but I hate how 2d elements won't render like crosshairs or ammo counters... Oh well.
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	biteme Member Pilot Name: biteme Faction: non-aligned Joystick: TM FF After burner II Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 237	Re: Suggestion: Cockpit view locked If ND wanted to aphelion, they could make all the GUI elements work with the glasses. BTW the GUI doese render with the glasses but look likes there stickers on your monitor 2 feet away, the problem is your eyes are focused 1600 meters out at the nix comming at you so the GUI is out of focus, if you read the GUI the nix is out of focus. You can see the target reticals too but you have the same focus problem + there positioned wrong because your viewing in 3D and there being displayed in 2d. I wounder if any at ND ever tryed them.....hint hint.
		Last edited by biteme; 07-17-2007 at 06:38 PM.


	Scorch Jumpgate Developer Pilot Name: GM_Scorch Join Date: May 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 141	Re: Suggestion: Cockpit view locked We have spent a ton of time working on a nice external camera that works really well now. This will likely be the default view as it seems most users we talk to want to see their ship. Now for all the simulator fans, they will all be switching to first person right away. For joystick first person is much better as well.