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Plot New Flux Spawn Patterns

Discussion in 'Jumpgate Discussions' started by RazorsKiss, Jan 6, 2018.

  1. RazorsKiss

    RazorsKiss Moderator

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    One thing that might not have occurred to us in the new flux spawns discussion in-game right now is the effect on trade.

    With Mantas now spawning in Outer Cloud, Main Gate, The Stith, Bronci Rift, ZR, Hyperion Gate and Blasted Corner - and the uptick in Aman Hook's threat level - there is now no way to get to Hyp OR Aman space without passing through a Manta sector (or worse, in Aman's case). Further, with mants back in BR, you have an anom *very* close to the gate - then yet another possible manta sector in ZR - then ANOTHER in Hyperion Gate, if you're headed to QC. You also have two manta sectors if you head through unreg via Stith/Connex now - and Blasted Corner can spawn up to kraks now, apparently - if rarely.

    You'd basically have to send every single cargo craft up and around the OC>GP loop to take a tow/freighter on a route from anywhere in Sol Space to QSpace now. Wake to OP is still clear, and OC to QC is still clear - for now - but what the heck is this, after disabling the Antiflux CP?

    (Side note: Makes the Hyp antiflux drop and subsequent manufactured "hoarding" soap opera look like more of a setup - by someone. I can't help but think this is intentional - but why go about it this way, after trashing the Antiflux CP for no apparent reason, and keeping the return/repair of the CP out of the player's hands entirely by magic explosions that equally magic "experts" can't fix? I'm trying to link this to the sentient attack in MG in character, but sadly, I doubt it's related at all.)
     
  2. Flowbar

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    If spawns are connected to whistles, then I suppose you'd have to reason about slow ships and non-whistle spawns, unless you consider dumps too of course.
     
  3. RazorsKiss

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    Yeah, but remember - you spawned a manta in main gate yourself, in a Ranger, not a fighter with a whistle. That is the bottleneck to hyp, and my concern.
     
  4. Kanthakeh

    Kanthakeh Initiate

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    I remember a new map that included verified spawn changes. I just can't find any informations atm. A squad named "The Trust" made that map available before or after the last collapse, I am not sure.
    Will continue searching.

    Edit: The map I found is dated 110.08.02, prolly outdated then.
     
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  5. Flowbar

    Flowbar Senior Magnate

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    So which flux spawn map is considered the best and the reference right now?
     
  6. RazorsKiss

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    afaict, The Trust's map was the closest to accurate, despite the age. There was one that someone was working on semi-recently, but it was not especially accurate, as far as I could see.

    I would probably work off of the TheTrust map as far as an update goes.
     
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  7. RazorsKiss

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    Fears Grow Over Conflux Inroads | UUNN

    I'm just so panicky right now. Really. The point of my insistence that we get antiflux production back is because this isn't normal, and because it is unprecedented to have zero low-risk routes to a factional station. Before, there had always been a slightly longer, but lower risk route. Now, they blew that practice away - after arbitrarily blowing up the antiflux CP. It's not exactly panicking to point out that a heavy tow will get blasted by multiple manta spawns. Pablum like "we used to get along with antiflux" is a) irrelevant, given that the location of the new spawns are unprecedented, save for BR - and b) not correctable by "just get escorts", since 90% of the time, you're flying solo c) Insulting to the pilots, as have been many recent news stories and "quotes" from tri folks.

    I'm sorry, but every person these tri folks refer to regularly kill swarms solo. We're hardly panicking. Why use such prejudicial, antagonistic language? Do they want pilots antagonistic toward all of their NPCs?
     
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  8. Flowbar

    Flowbar Senior Magnate

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    Maybe this is a response from the conflux, seeing that we are no longer taking the battle to their space, leaving infestations unharmed for a long time and thus they think they can increase the pressure on us? How can we reasonably fight back? How can we hit them where it hurts?
     
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  9. RazorsKiss

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    No idea, in our brave new retconned universe, where we now know nothing we used to know about flux, we pilots are are all christened as cringing whiners, and our "flux expert" thinks massive, unprecedented spawn changes happen often. I'm quite flabbergasted by the "official" response to this.I was just soundly, publicly, rapped on the knuckles as a coward by official TRI spokespeople - for noting an empirical change, and suggesting empirical solutions. Their knuckle rapping had absolutely nothing of substance to impart, I might add - and their assertions are demonstrably false, on the main. I don't find it encouraging that the official response is "alll is well" propaganda.

    The flux escalation hasn't been accompanied by anything IC aside from potshots at me in reaction, so I don't have a clue where they are trying to go with this, or whether they are just going with an arbitrary decision by the management. I guess we could go pot a hive or something. But that has never affected anything before.
     
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  10. Nafcon

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    That not true, i killed thousands of them in flux galaxy over the last months :)
     
  11. RazorsKiss

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    So, I haven't got any independent confirmations about ZR and OC - I went ahead and respawned each one about a dozen times over the last 48 hours, without a single manta. I think I am going to write both of those off as either flukes, or copy errors from my spawn log.

    Not sure what the response is to this, other than upping patrols. I'm basically running Aman to Hyp right now, which catches every major new spawn sector but BR and BC.
     
  12. RazorsKiss

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    Just spawned them both another dozen or so each, just to make sure. Still nothing above c4 in either. Definitely an error of mine.

    On the other hand, every other change we've identified is definitely correct.
     
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  13. Nesayar

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    Pilot Nara reported C6 in BC (Blaster Corner), without Whistle. Confirmed!
     
  14. RazorsKiss

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    Tentative conclusions, based on initial survey:

    Azure Churn, Inner Aman, Path of Hordes, and Ekoo's Stop are the sectors with lower threat levels. However, Orrus Minor and Major were both formerly listed as 10s as well. They need another good look. I'm also going to test Long Walk, and Outer Third.

    Aman Hook. Blasted Corner, The Stith, Hyperial Gate, The Main Gate, The Bronci Rift, and Greater Arm seem to be the 7 culprits for a higher threat level - but unreg needs some more testing - especially Outskirts, Saron's Eye, and Outer Storm. They will all get a full 10 respawns, in total.

    I've spawned every sector in space now, at least once - I don't think I'm going to respawn everything ten times, but I want at least ten respawns of everything I've made conclusions about, and a few others I've already listed. Expect a new fluxmap version from me as soon as I get this more focused survey completed. Possibly a rollover version, as well.
     
  15. RazorsKiss

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    Path of Hordes, Ekoo's Stop, Greater Arm confirmed at their new threat levels with sufficient respawns.

    Long Walk, Outer Third, Outer Storm, Saron's Eye, Outskirts confirmed unchanged from previous levels. They simply required more data.

    Everything but the Orrus twins have had sufficient testing to say conclusively that we have 11 changed threat levels. I'll go take care of that, and do some testing on Blasted Corner on my way.
     
  16. RazorsKiss

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    On further testing, I think that the Orrus twins weren't 10s to begin with - especially when consulting my recent memory. I'm going to classify Major as 8, and Minor as 7. Sark's is also listed as 10 - and it definitely is not.
     
  17. Flowbar

    Flowbar Senior Magnate

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    Azure Churn is spelled wrong, and it does not contain any anomaly, so it has no immediate reinforcements.
     
  18. RazorsKiss

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    So was every galaxy map based off of Gossip's ;) There are several other typos that are wrong, but I can't be bothered. I left the reinforcement asterisks from The Trust map, because i didn't bother checking those, either. All reinforcement notations are copied directly from The Trust's 2010 map. This base map is the only high-res version I happened to have handy - it's the original high-res version that ND copied (and modified) from Gossip's site, and has been adapted by a plethora of people since. If I do any edits, it won't be soon. I don't care enough to either match the original fonts used or to replace every stinking single sector name - which is how you fix the several typos on the map - 4 of which you missed - all of which I don't care about ;)

    I also mismatched the centering of several of the sector "color" circles, and messed up the reinforcement asterisk on Saron's Eye. I also inserted a couple new threat classifications, because there definitely are ones in space now that The Trust's threat level system didn't encompass (but were almost certainly copied from New Dawn's maps). Sue me :) That took about 2.5 hours to do in Photoshop last night, and hours upon hours to spawn every single non flux-space sector in the game - and I actually want to play this week, thank you very much ;) Typos and one reinforcement marker aren't worth bothering over.
     
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  19. RazorsKiss

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    Path of Hordes is not the change they made, by the by. My gut feeling is that the changes to Orrus Major and Minor are our rating changes, or that the final one is in flux space somewhere. Whatever it is, the current notations are accurate. By the by, I'm pretty sure that AC actually does instantly reinforce. Orrus Minor doesn't possess an anomaly either, but it does so. Anomalies seem to be a general rule, not an absolute when it comes to that.